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Thursday, 28 October 2021

Marquis Of Lorne, Radnor Street 1872 - 1903


 
The former Marquis of Lorne is shown on the extreme left of this 1928 Folkestone Corporation photo. Credit Folkestone Library

 
Licensees

George Holloway 1872 1880
Edward Heritage 1880 1880
William Hall 1880 1883
James Heritage 1883 1885
William Paul 1885 1891
Thomas Paul 1891 1891
Henry Spillett 1891 1894 Ex Tramway Tavern. Later Star (2)
Robert Jasper 1894 1902
William Heritage 1902 1903 From Hope. To Lord Nelson

Folkestone Express 4-5-1872

Saturday, April 27th: Before The Mayor, J. Gambrill and R.W. Boarer Esqs.

Emily Greenland, landlady of the Marquis Of Lorne, Radnor Street, was charged with assaulting Charlotte Whittaker, who described herself as an “unfortunate”.

From the statements of the parties concerned it appears that complainant had lodged at defendant`s house two months, and left a short time since. On going for her clothes, a week`s rent was demanded, which led to an altercation, and complainant alleged that defendant struck her three times without cause, which provoked her to use language more expressive than elegant. Defendant said complainant struck her first and that she took her in to lodge “out of charity”.

Mr. Boarer told defendant if she took such people as complainant into her house she must expect trouble with them. He did not believe she kept complainant two months “out of charity”.

Fined 1s. and 10s. costs.

Note: Greenland is listed as last licensee of Mariner`s Home according to More Bastions, but this case suggests the house changed it`s name whilst Greenland was there.

Folkestone Express 13-7-1872

Wednesday, July 10th: Before The Mayor, T. Caister and J. Tolputt Esqs.

The license of the Marquis Of Lorne, Radnor Street, was transferred to Mr. Holloway.

Folkestone Express 27-7-1872

Saturday, July 20th: Before The Mayor and R.W. Boarer Esq.

Nancy Golden was charged with using obscene language in Radnor Street on the 19th instant.

From the evidence of Alfred Pope, Star Inn, and his two daughters, Emily and Mary Ann, it seems that defendant lives with her sister, who keeps the Marquis Of Lorne public house in the same street, and that defendant was in the habit of addressing the two girls in anything but polite terms.

Defendant was fined 10s. and 12s. costs. Paid.

Folkestone Express 30-8-1873

Wednesday, August 27th: Before The Mayor, J. Gambrill, J. Tolputt, and J. Clarke Esq.

Annual Licensing Meeting

The licensing committee met at ten o`clock for the purpose of taking into consideration the question of making any alteration in the hours for opening and closing public houses. Shortly after eleven o`clock the licensed victuallers present were called into Court, where the Clerk said the Bench would hear anything with reference to the alteration of the hours for the opening and closing.

In the case of the Marquis Of Lorne, Radnor Street, Superintendent Wilshire said the house was the resort of prostitutes and there was a brothel kept by applicant`s wife`s sister next door.

Applicant said he could not help them coming to his bar.

The Mayor said applicant knew all about it, and the Bench would take time to consider whether the license should be renewed and would give their decision on the 30th September.

Southeastern Gazette 2-9-1873

Local News

The annual licensing meeting was held on Wednesday, when the magistrates present were J. Hoad, Esq. (Mayor), J. Gambrill, J. Tolputt, and J. Clark, Esqrs.

On the question of granting a licence to the Marquis of Lorne, the Supt. of Police complained of prostitutes being allowed to frequent the house. The applicant said he could not refuse them if they were orderly. The Bench reserved their decision.
 
Folkestone Chronicle 13-9-1873

Wednesday, September 10th: Before The Mayor, J. Tolputt and J. Clarke Esqs.

George Holloway, a licensed victualler, landlord of the Marquis Of Lorne, was charged with allowing his house to be the habitual resort of prostitutes.

The Bench, after hearing the evidence, dismissed the case.

Folkestone Express 13-9-1873

Wednesday, September 8th: Before The Mayor, J. Tolputt and J. Clark Esqs.

George Holloway was summoned on a charge of harbouring women of loose character in his house, the Marquis Of Lorne, Radnor Street.

The case was adjourned from the previous Saturday to give defendant an opportunity of having a solicitor to defend him. Mr. Worsfold Mowll, of Dover, appeared for defendant today.

Supt. Wilshire said he visited the house in question about a quarter before eleven on the night of the 9th ult., when he saw two prostitutes in the tap room, one lying at full length on a form, and another sitting by the side of a fisherman. One of the girls ran out of the house into a cottage next door, which he believed was occupied by defendant`s wife`s sister.

By Mr. Mowll: Had seen the girls in the house before. The other girl had a black eye and went out in the same direction as the other one. Spoke to the landlady, and left a message that he should take proceedings against defendant. Had been eight months in Folkestone. Had been in the Wandsworth division of the London Police Force, but did not recollect any order with reference to such cases, but he would have to report cases on the second visit to the houses. It was not his duty to visit public houses when in London. Did not know how long the girls had been in the house.

Sergeant Reynolds corroborated the Superintendent`s evidence, and said Mr. Wilshire cautioned the landlady.

Mr. Mowll said he had really no case to answer. It had not been shown in evidence how long the girls had been in the house. The Act said the woman must not be in the house a longer time than was necessary to obtain reasonable refreshments, and before defendant could be convicted that must be proved affirmatively. His client assured him that his house had only been visited once by the police. The rule observed in London, and also at Dover, was that the police should request publicans to clear their houses of such characters and then visit the house again to see if it had been done, and if not, then the landlord would be liable. He contended that on the evidence before the Bench the summons must fail.

The Mayor said the Bench were not satisfied that there was sufficient evidence before them to convict defendant. The case was therefore dismissed. Unfortunately the Superintendent did not pay a second visit, but defendant had been cautioned several times.

Southeastern Gazette 16-9-1873

Local News

At the Police Court on Wednesday, George Holloway appeared to answer an adjourned charge of harbouring prostitutes at the Marquis of Lorne public house, Radnor Street.

 Supt. Wiltshire deposed to visiting the defendant’s house in company with Sergt. Reynolds, about a quarter to eleven on the night of the 29th ult., and seeing two prostitutes in the tap-room - one sitting down with a sailor and the other lying on a seat asleep. The one who was sitting down got up and ran into a cottage adjoining.

By Mr, W. Mowll (who appeared for defendant): He had not been in the house before on that evening, and he did not go in again. He did not know how long these girls had been there, but he had seen them there before.

Police Sergt. Reynolds corroborated.

By Mr. Mowll: He did not speak to the landlady, but the Superintendent cautioned her.

Mr. Mowll contended that there was no case against the defendant, as there was no proof that the parties stopped in the house longer than was requisite to obtain necessary refreshment. In Dover and other places it was the custom of the police, if they found persons of this kind assembled to warn the landlord, and return afterwards to see if they had dispersed. Such ought to have been done in this case.

The Bench agreed with this view, and accordingly dismissed the information.

Folkestone Chronicle 4-10-1873

Wednesday, October 1st: Before The Mayor, J. Clarke and J. Tolputt Esqs.

Adjourned Licensing Day

This was the day appointed to consider the postponed licenses, and Mr. Mowll, of Dover, appeared, and in a long address, pleaded the cause of the following house, the license of which the magistrates renewed, giving the landlord a severe caution, that if they were again complained of, they would not be granted: The Marquis Of Lorne, George Holloway, Radnor Street.

Folkestone Express 4-10-1873

Adjourned Licensing Meeting

Tuesday, September 30th: Before The Mayor, J. Tolputt and J. Clark Esqs.

The Star, The Marquis Of Lorne, and The Crown And Anchor

The renewal of the above-named house was adjourned from the licensing meeting on the 27th August.

Mr. Worsfold Mowll, of Dover, appeared for Messrs. Holloway (Marquis Of Lorne), Pope (Star) and Smith (Crown And Anchor). He asked the Bench to take the three applications together, which was complied with.

Superintendent Wilshere said he had given notice that he should oppose the renewal of the license to the Marquis Of Lorne, the reason being that it was the habitual resort of prostitutes. He never visited the house, but found such characters there. He had seen prostitutes at the Star up to the 27th August. The Crown And Anchor was also a habitual resort of such characters, and the landlord was fined £10 on 7th May last for selling intoxicating liquors during prohibited hours. He had no complaint to make against the house since the annual licensing day. The cottage at the back of the house which was formerly occupied as a brothel was then untenanted.

By Mr. Mowll: Had visited the London music halls and although there was no doubt women of loose character habitually assembled there they did not conduct themselves as open prostitutes. Had cautioned Holloway. There was a brothel next door to the Marquis Of Lorne, and there was a communication between the two houses by means of a narrow passage into which a door opened from the tap room. On the 23rd May a prostitute named Fanny Boulton gave as her residence the Marquis Of Lorne.

Mr. Mowll objected to such statements being made unless supported by evidence.

Cross-examination continued: There were sure to be private brothels close to the public houses in a neighbourhood like Radnor Street.

Mr. Mowll apprehended that there would be no difficulty in the way of their Worships granting the licenses, because the evidence of the Superintendent merely went to show that he had visited the houses from time to time and he had found reputed prostitutes there, but it was acknowledged by the Legislature that such characters could claim to be served with refreshments, and if a landlord refused to serve them he would be liable to be indicted. But putting that aside for a moment, was it possible (he asked) that in a neighbourhood like that in which the houses were situated there would not be from time to time such characters taking refreshments at the public houses? Folkestone being a seaport and close to a military camp, where there were from 2,000 to 3,000 soldiers, it was impossible to keep houses where soldiers and sailors were in the habit of resorting entirely free from objectionable women. No doubt it was their Worships` duty to put down all kind of immorality as far as they possibly could, but the Legislature had to a certain extent legitimised it, and the women were entitled to go for refreshments to any public house. No doubt the Clerk would advise the Bench that not only was it necessary that notice of opposition should be given, but also that certain offences should be proved and recorded upon the licenses, but with the exception of Smith`s case, there was not a single conviction recorded against his clients.

The Court was cleared for a time, and on the readmission of the public the Mayor said the Magistrates were glad to hear that there was an improvement in the conducting of the houses in question, and they had determined to renew the licenses, but they wished to say that in case of the law being broken in future the full penalties would be inflicted.

Folkestone Chronicle 29-8-1874

Licensing Day

The annual brewsters` licensing day was held on Wednesday last. The magistrates on the Bench were The Mayor, J. Tolputt, and W. Bateman Esqs. The license of the Marquis Of Lorne was adjourned for a month. 

Folkestone Express 29-8-1874

Wednesday, August 26th: Before The Mayor, W. Bateman and J. Tolputt Esqs.

Annual Licensing Sessions

The seventy four licensed victuallers, twelve beershop keepers and twenty three grocers and wine merchants had their licenses renewed, with the exception of those named.

The Marquis Of Lorne: In this case the license was opposed by Supt. Wilshere on the ground that George Holloway, applicant, had knowingly and habitually harboured prostitutes in his house.

Mr. Mowll, of Dover, appeared for applicant.

Supt. Wilshere said he had visited the house occasionally, and had found a prostitute always in the bar. He wished to have the application adjourned, as his witnesses were out of town.

Mr. Mowll said it would be a very extraordinary proceeding if the case were adjourned. The Superintendent had stated half a case, which might prejudice the minds of the Bench. Applicant was prepared to meet the case on it`s merits. He contended that the application for an adjournment should have been made before, and not a statement from the Superintendent that he could prove something at a future time.

The Mayor said there had been good ground shown for an adjournment.

Supt. Wilshere, cross-examined by Mr. Mowll: I have visited the house twelve or fifteen times since last year, and have sometimes seen applicant, and at other times a woman who I believed was his wife. Do not remember going there at any time when applicant or his wife was not there. Have frequently cautioned him. I know the Licensing Act has a special provision for dealing with persons harbouring prostitutes, but I have not proceeded against him because I have not been in a position to prove the case.

Mr. Mowll said the Superintendent admitted that he had not laid an information against the house because he had not been in a position to prove the commission of the offence, and yet he asked the Bench to take away applicant`s license on less grounds than on proof of commission of the offence, and now asked the Bench to adjourn the application, which was a most monstrous thing. If the evidence was not strong enough to convict, it would not b strong enough to take away his license. He would ask the Bench to look at the Act, when they would see that there must be two convictions before they could take the license away.

In answer to Mr. Mowll, the Superintendent said his witnesses were members of the Metropolitan Police, acting under the Contagious Diseases Act.

The application was adjourned to the 23rd September.

Southeastern Gazette 29-8-1874

Annual Licensing Day

At the annual licensing, on Wednesday, most of the licences were renewed.

That of the Marquis of Lorne was opposed by the Superintendent of Police, and adjourned. 

Kentish Gazette 1-9-1874

At the annual licensing, on Wednesday, most of the licences were renewed. That of the Marquis of Lorne was opposed by the Superintendent of Police and adjourned. 
 
Folkestone Chronicle 26-9-1874

Wednesday, September 23rd: Before W. Wightwick Esq.

Brewster Session

The license of the Marquis Of Lorne was renewed.

Folkestone Express 26-9-1874

Wednesday, September 23rd: Before The Mayor, J. Tolputt and J. Clark Esqs.

This being the day for hearing the adjourned applications for licenses, the following was disposed of:

The Marquis Of Lorne: The application of George Holloway for the renewal of the license of the Marquis Of Lorne, Radnor Street, was adjourned on the previous occasion in consequence of it`s being opposed by Supt. Wilshere on the ground that a woman of disreputable character was living in the house.

Supt Wilshere now said the woman had left the house, and the house having been well conducted since, he withdrew his opposition.

The license was renewed, The Mayor remarking that in the event of any future conviction the full penalty would be inflicted, but they hoped the house would be better conducted in future.

Southeastern Gazette 26-9-1874
 
Adjourned Licensing Meeting

At the adjourned brewster sessions, on Wednesday, the opposition to the renewal of the licences of the Marquis of Lorne and the Crown and Anchor was withdrawn. 

Kentish Gazette 29-9-1874

At the adjourned Brewster sessions, on Wednesday, the opposition to the renewal of the licences of the Marquis of Lorne and the Crown and Anchor was withdrawn. The licence of the Eagle, High Street, which had been refused to Thomas Fisher was granted to John Stevenson. The whole of the licences have now been renewed. 
 
Folkestone Chronicle 13-1-1877

Saturday, January 6th:  Before The Mayor, General Armstrong, Captain Fletcher, J. Kelcey and R.W. Boarer Esqs.

Alice and Frances Minnte Longley, two little girls of very miserable appearance, aged thirteen and seven respectively, were charged with stealing three sheets, value 5s., the property of Charles Holloway.

Sarah Holloway, the wife of Charles Holloway, the landlord of the Marquis Of Lorne in Radnor Street: Prisoners came to her house on Thursday, and offered her 5s. for a fortnight`s lodging. She gave them a bed, but in consequence of what she was told she sent them off next morning. After they had gone she missed three sheets. She sent after prisoners, and the youngest one was found in possession of them. After hearing further evidence the Bench sentenced them to one month`s imprisonment with hard labour.

Note: Licensee is named as George Holloway in More Bastions

Folkestone Express 13-1-1877

Saturday, January 6th: Before The Mayor, General Armstrong, R.W. Boarer Esq., and Captain Fletcher.

Alice Longley, 13, and Frances Minnie Longley, 9, two raggedly attired little girls, were charged with stealing three sheets, valued at 5s., the property of Charles Holloway.

Sarah Holloway, the wife of the prosecutor, who is landlord of the Marquis Of Lorne beerhouse in Radnor Street, deposed that the prisoners came to her house on Thursday night and asked for a fortnight`s lodging, for which they said they would pay five shillings. Witness accordingly let them have a room for the night, but on the following morning she was informed that they came from Hythe, and thereupon told the prisoners to leave her house. They went upstairs, got their things, and left. Shortly after she missed three sheets from the beds on which the prisoners had slept. She told a Mr. Chapman of her loss, and he went in search of the prisoners. When he returned he had the youngest prisoner with him and was carrying the sheets in his hand. When questioned she stated that her sister gave the sheets to her.

Edward Chapman stated that when he captured the youngest prisoner she had the sheets in her hand, and offered him a shilling to allow her to go.

P.C. Butcher said that when he took the older prisoner into custody she confessed to having committed the theft.

From the statements of Superintendent Wilshere and Raymond it appeared that the children were greatly neglected by their father, who allowed them to roam about the country and beg.

The Bench sentenced each of the prisoners to one month`s imprisonment with hard labour.

Folkestone Express 24-5-1879

Harry Cox, a private in the Grenadier Guards, was charged with stealing a guinea fowl, value 5s., the property of Mr. Albert Attwood, poulterer, High Street.

An assistant in the employ of the prosecutor having missed the fowl, gave information to the police. He identified that produced.

George Holloway, landlord of the Marquis Of Lorne, said on Thursday evening two soldiers came to his house, and after having some beer, one of them asked him to buy a guinea fowl, but he could not swear that prisoner was the man.

P.C. Butcher said from information he received he went to the Marquis Of Lorne. He saw the prisoner in the tap room with the fowl in his possession.

Prisoner pleaded Guilty, and was sentenced to a month`s hard labour.

Southeastern Gazette 24-5-1879

Local News

On Wednesday Harry Cox, a private in the Grenadier Guards, stationed at Shorncliffe Camp, was charged with stealing a guinea fowl, the property of Albert Atwood. The fowl was found by P.C. Butcher in the possession of the prisoner at the Marquis of Lorne public-house.

The Bench sentenced the accused to one month’s hard labour.
 



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