Memories from the pubs in and around Folkestone, with contemporary newspaper reports.
Thanks And Acknowledgements
My thanks go to Kent Libraries and Archives - Folkestone Library and also to the archive of the Folkestone Herald. For articles from the Folkestone Observer, my thanks go to the Kent Messenger Group. Southeastern Gazette articles are from UKPress Online, and Kentish Gazette articles are from the British Newspaper Archive. See links below.
Paul Skelton`s great site for research on pubs in Kent is also linked
Other sites which may be of interest are the Folkestone and District Local History Society, the Kent History Forum, Christine Warren`s fascinating site, Folkestone Then And Now, and Step Short, where I originally found the photo of the bomb-damaged former Langton`s Brewery, links also below.
Paul Skelton`s great site for research on pubs in Kent is also linked
Other sites which may be of interest are the Folkestone and District Local History Society, the Kent History Forum, Christine Warren`s fascinating site, Folkestone Then And Now, and Step Short, where I originally found the photo of the bomb-damaged former Langton`s Brewery, links also below.
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Core dates and information on licensees tenure are taken from Martin Easdown and Eamonn Rooney`s two fine books on the pubs of Folkestone, Tales From The Tap Room and More Tales From The Tap Room - unfortunately now out of print. Dates for the tenure of licensees are taken from the very limited editions called Bastions Of The Bar and More Bastions Of The Bar, which were given free to very early purchasers of the books.
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Saturday, 7 June 2014
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7th June, 2014: Folkestone Express and Folkestone Herald Reports for 1929 Added.
Jubilee Inn 1925 - 1929
Folkestone Herald 10-1-1925
Local News
At the Folkestone Police Court on Wednesday, before Mr. G.I.
Swoffer and other Magistrates, the licence of the Jubilee Inn was transferred
from Mr. H. MacKay to Mr. Wm. George Thomas Tingey, of Whitstable.
Folkestone
Express 1-5-1926
Local News
At the Folkestone Police Court
on Wednesday, before Mr. G.I. Swoffer Mr. G. Boyd, Dr. W.W. Nuttall, and Mr. A. Stace, Emily Berry was charged with
having been drunk and disorderly on The Stade on Tuesday, and she pleaded
guilty.
P.C. Bates said at 8-30 p.m.
on Tuesday he was called to the Jubilee
public-house by the landlord, who stated he had a woman on the premises who refused to
quit. He went j into the public-house, and recognised her as a woman he had cautioned in Radnor
Street about 8 p.m. for causing a slight disturbance. With the assistance of the landlord he put her
out, end as she continued to use, filthy language he took her to the Police Station,
with the assistance of P.C. Finn.
Prisoner said she had nothing to ask witness; he would
only contradict her if she said anything.
The
Chief Constable said there were eighteen previous convictions against prisoner, chiefly for drunkenness, but she had not been there since 1920, and he
would think it was quite likely she was sorry
it had happened.
The
prisoner was fined 5s.
Prisoner:
I have not got any money to pay.
The
magistrates gave her a week in which to pay the
fine, leviable by distress, or seven days`.
Folkestone Herald
1-5-1926
Wednesday, April 28th: Before Mr. G.I. Swoffer,
Mr. G. Boyd, Mr. A. Stace, and Dr. W.W. Nuttall.
Emily Berry was charged with being drunk and disorderly in
The Stade on Tuesday.
P.C. Bates said at 8.30 p.m. on Tuesday night he was on duty
in The Stade, when he was called to the Jubilee Inn, the licensee informing him
that there was a woman on the premises who was drunk and refused to quit. He
saw the woman (the defendant). He had cautioned her previously in the evening
about 8 o`clock for causing a slight disturbance. With the help of the licensee
he put her out of the public house. Defendant then started to cause a
disturbance and use obscene language. He took her into custody.
Prisoner said she was very sorry for what had happened.
The Chief Constable (Mr. A.S. Beesley) said there were
eighteen previous convictions against defendant, but there had been none since
1920, so it was very likely she was sorry it had happened.
The Chairman, in fining the defendant 5/- said the
Magistrates were taking a lenient view of the case.
Defendant said she could not pay.
Mr. Swoffer said defendant would be allowed seven days to
pay. The fine would then be levied by distress, or, in default, seven days`
imprisonment.
Folkestone
Express 4-12-1926
Local News
At the Folkestone Police Court, Lance Corporal Fred
Elles was summoned for assaulting Mr. Tingey, the licensee of the Jubilee Inn,
by striking him in the face with his fist, and he pleaded Guilty.
Mr. Tingey said on the 24th November
defendant went into the house, with three soldiers, about seven o`clock, and
everything went all right until about nine o`clock, when one of them said “Now
we are all right, two Irishmen and two Englishmen”. They started to fight. With
the assistance of one of his customers, who held the most violent man, he got
the other three out. About five minutes to ten all four returned. Defendant was
quite sober, and the other three were drunk. Defendant called for four drinks,
and he called to his barman “Don`t serve them. Leave them to me”. Defendant
said to the barman “You will get a thick ear”. The barman did not serve them,
and he (witness) called “Time”, because he could see there was trouble brewing.
In getting them out defendant hit him a very violent blow over the left eye.
Defendant said he did not remember what happened.
Someone thumped him in the back of the neck, and he struck out blindly, with no
intention of hitting the host.
An officer said defendant had an excellent character.
Defendant was fined £1.
Folkestone
Express 2-7-1927
Local News
Tuesday, June 28th: Before Alderman C. E. Mumford, Miss A. M. Hunt
and Dr. W. W. Nuttall.
George Slenderman Weatherhead was summoned for having, on the 10th June, stolen two notes of the Bank of England, of
the value of £5 each, the
property of Frederick John Wilkinson.
Frederick John Wilkinson, The Avenue, Littlestone-on-Sea, fruiterer and
greengrocer, said on the 10th June he came to Folkestone for
produce, to the early morning market, arriving about 6.30 to 7 a.m. At the time
he had two Bank of England £5 notes, three £1 Treasury notes, and a cheque for
£5. He had the money in an envelope. About ten minutes after he arrived at the
market he took the envelope from his breast pocket, when he was standing near
Mr. Bean`s lorry, to take a £1 note to give to the defendant to pay for some
peas. Defendant was on the spot, and had previously helped him to load his
lorry. He returned the envelope to his pocket. Weatherhead returned him the
change of 8s. He completed his business, jumped on Mr. Bean`s lorry to pay him
for his purchases, and again withdrew the envelope from his pocket and took the
contents, and found only two £1 Treasury notes and the cheque. The two £5 notes
were not there. He told Mr. Bean he had lost the notes, and Weatherhead was in
the immediate vicinity of the lorry, about ten or twelve yards away. When he
found he had lost the notes he told Bean he had lost them, and it would be audible to anyone
standing round. They both made a search, but could not find them. He said
nothing to defendant about his loss. On returning home he found he had not left
the notes there, and he gave information to the police.
Defendant: Why didn’t he tell me that he had lost
the notes?
Mr. Wilkinson: Because I was not sure that I had lost
them then.
Defendant: I wouldn’t rob
any man.
William John
McEwitt, barman at the Jubilee public house, said defendant went into the bar,
and tendered him a £5 note for drinks. He called for a round of drinks for
customers in the bar, which came to 1s. 10d. Defendant offered him a £5 note,
and he asked him if it was his. Defendant said “Mine? Of course it is”. He
asked defendant if he had been in crossword puzzles. “Crossword puzzles? If you
don`t think it is a good `un, take it to the boss”, which he did. He handed the
£5 note to his employer, who gave him the change.
Mr. W.C.T. Tingey,
landlord of the Jubilee public house, said that on the 10th June
defendant gave him a £5 note to change. Ultimately he gave his barman the
change for the note. Later the same day he saw defendant in the bar, in the
evening, and he received case from defendant several times. Defendant tendered
him a second £5 note about 10.25 p.m. Defendant had been standing drinks to
other people. The drinks amounted to 1s. 6d. when defendant gave him the second
note. He did not give defendant the change that night, and he told him to call
the following day. He did so, and he paid him the money. The first note he
changed with Mr. Skinner, and the second he paid away to the Licensed
Victuallers` Mineral Water Co. He had known defendant for three years, and he
knew he had been an old sailor. He did not know what defendant was now. He was
not surprised at defendant being in possession of two notes. He did not ask
defendant for an explanation as to where he got the notes.
P.C. Williams said
he received information about the loss of the two £5 notes, and made certain
inquiries, and as a result of his inquiries he interviewed defendant on the 22nd
June on the East Cliff. He told him he was a police officer, and that he was
making inquiries regarding two £5 Bank of England notes which had been lost,
and had ascertained that he had changed two such notes. He told defendant he
should report the matter, and that it was possible proceedings might be taken
against him. He cautioned him, and he said “I don`t wish to say anything”. On
the 25th, at 6.30 p.m., he served the defendant with a copy of the
summons, and he told defendant he was charged with stealing the notes by
finding them. He asked defendant if he understood it, and he replied “Yes”. He
then cautioned defendant, and he replied “Finding is not stealing; I found the
notes”
Ernest William
Ellen, landlord of the Packet Boat, said defendant went to his bar on the 10th
June about 12.30. He called for three pints of beer, and tendered a £5 note in
payment. He told defendant he was sorry he had no change, as he had not been to
the bank, and defendant said “It is quite in order; my sister sent it to
me." He had a reason for saying he
could not change it, but he could have
changed it. He knew defendant was a casual
worker in the Fish Market. He still declined
to change it, and he left owing for the
beer. Defendant said he would be back later,
and four days later he called and paid for
the beer.
Defendant: I am guilty of finding but not of stealing. I wouldn’t rob a
man of a penny. I have got
nothing to say.
The Clerk: You mean you picked them up and spent them?
Defendant: Yes, just the same as I have said it.
The Clerk: The law says it is stealing.
Defendant: I cannot make that out.
Inspector Pittock said defendant was a local man. He had no regular
employment, and did odd jobs in the market.
There were twelve
convictions against him, chiefly for drunkenness,
the last one in 1914.
Defendant: If
you like to give me a chance I will turn over a fresh leaf, and won’t come up
any more.
The Chairman said the magistrates
had very carefully considered the case, and they might have sent
defendant for six months. On account of his evident attempt to go straight in
recent years, he was an old sailor, who served in the Royal Navy, and because
they thought he was trying to act better as a citizen, they were only going to
send him to prison for one month. They hoped it would be a lesson to him. They found defendant was undoubtedly
guilty by finding, but finding things was stealing them, just as much the same
as if they robbed in the ordinary way
of stealing. It was no excuse for defendant or anyone else that because they
found something they might presume it
was theirs. Their duty was to take
it to the Police Station or the nearest authority
they could hand it over to. With
regard to the evidence to which they
had listened they had first the
evidence of the barman. Now the barman at
the Jubilee seemed to have risen to the full height of his responsibilities as a servant,
and when the note was offered to him he very properly refused to take it, in
view of the fact he knew from whom he was taking it. With regard to the real
licensee of the place, the licensee, strange to say, did not rise to the full
height of his responsibilities. There was the second time in his own house that
a £5 note was changed. The barman seemed to have acted with great discretion,
and the Magistrates regretted the fact that the man who held the licence did
not act in the same way,
and the more so because
it was the second time during the day that that change of a £5 note was made. The Magistrates wished to say they granted
licences to men to hold the responsibilities and the licensee was in a responsible position
towards the public and the police, and the magistrates expected every help and judgment to be used in
dealing with a case such
as this. The Magistrates were very
pleased to think that Mr. Ellen, at any rate, recognised the responsible position in
which he was placed. They were glad to express
the opinion that he acted very properly in this matter, and they hoped the
police and Magistrates would have every help from those who held licences, and
held the position they did.
Folkestone Herald
2-7-1927
Local News
George Slenderman Weatherhead was sentenced to one month`s
imprisonment at the Folkestone Police Court on Tuesday, on a charge of stealing
by finding two £5 Bank of England notes.
Fredk. John Wilkinson, of Littlestone-on-Sea, a fruiterer
and greengrocer, said that on Friday, June 10th, he came to
Folkestone for produce at the early morning market. He arrived about seven o`clock.
He had two £5 Bank of England notes, three £1 Treasury notes, and a £5 cheque.
He carried the money in an envelope. He had occasion to take the envelope out
about ten minutes after he arrived at the market. At the time he took the
envelope from his pocket he was standing by Mr. Bean`s lorry. He gave a £1 note
to defendant to pay for some peas. Defendant usually helped him to load his
lorry. He handed the £1 note to defendant and returned the envelope to his
pocket. Weatherhead returned 8s. change. He completed his business with Mr.
Bean and jumped on Mr. Bean`s lorry to pay for his purchases. He again withdrew
the envelope from his pocket; he took the contents out and found that they only
consisted of the two Treasury notes and the £5 cheque. The two Bank of England
notes were not there. He immediately commented upon having lost them to Mr.
Bean. Weatherhead was employed in his work in the immediate vicinity at the
time. Mr. Bean`s lorry was ten or twelve yards from his own lorry and defendant
was going between the two lorries. He told Mr. Bean that he had lost the two
notes; His remarks would be audible to anyone standing around. They both made a
search but could not find the notes. He said nothing directly to Weatherhead
about his loss. On returning home he found that he had not left the notes there
and then he gave information to the police.
Defendant: Why didn`t he tell me he had lost the notes?
Witness: You will see by my evidence that I was not sure I
had lost them.
Defendant: I would not rob any man.
William John McEwitt stated that he was employed as a barman
at the Jubilee public house. On Friday, June 10th, prisoner came in
and called for a round of drinks, which came to 1s. 10d. Defendant offered him
a £5 note, and he asked him if it was his. Defendant said “Mine? Of course it
is”. He asked defendant if he had been in for crossword puzzles, and he said
“Crossword puzzles be ----; if you don`t think it`s a good one take it to the
boss”. He handed the note to his employer, who gave him the change.
William George Tingey, the landlord of the Jubilee Inn, said
that on Friday, June 10th, the last witness brought him a £5 Bank of
England note for him to change. Ultimately he gave him the change for the note.
He saw defendant in the evening in the bar; Weatherhead was there up to closing
time. Defendant tendered him a second £5 Bank of England note for drinks.
The Clerk: Had he been standing drinks to other people or
not?
Witness: Yes.
Mr. Tingey added that the drinks amounted to 1s. 6d. He told
defendant to come for the change the following day. Defendant came the
following day and he gave him the change. The first note he received he changed
with Mr. Skinner. The second note he paid away to the Licensed Victuallers`
Mineral Water Company. Witness further stated that he was not surprised at
defendant tendering the notes.
The Magistrates` Clerk (Mr. J. Andrew): Did you ask him any
questions as to where he had obtained the notes from?
Witness: No, sir.
P.C. Williams said that he received information of the loss
of two Bank of England notes and interviewed defendant at 8.30 on June 22nd
on the East Cliff. He told defendant that he was a police officer and had been
making enquiries regarding two £5 Bank of England notes which had been lost,
and had ascertained that he had changed two such notes. He told Weatherhead
that he would report the matter and that it was possible that proceedings might
be taken against him. He cautioned prisoner, who replied “I don`t wish to say
anything”. On June 25th he served defendant with a summons. He told
prisoner that he was charged with stealing the notes by finding them. Defendant
said that he understood it. He then cautioned Weatherhead, who replied “Finding
is not stealing. I did not steal the notes”.
Ernest William Ellen, landlord of the Packet Boat, said on
June 10th, at about 12.30, defendant ordered three pints of beer and
tendered a £5 note. He said “I am sorry; I have no change until I have been to
the bank”. He had a reason for saying that; he could have changed the note. He
knew defendant to be a casual worker at the Fish Market. Defendant said “It is
quite all right; my sister sent it to me”. He still declined to change the note
and defendant left owing for the beer. Four days later defendant called and paid
him for the beer.
Defendant pleaded “Guilty by finding, but not by stealing”.
He added that he had nothing to say.
The Magistrates` Clerk: You mean you picked them up and
spent them?
Defendant: Yes.
The Magistrates` Clerk: The law says that is stealing.
Defendant: I cannot make it out.
Inspector Pittock stated that defendant was a local man, and
at present he had no fixed abode. There were ten previous convictions, chiefly
fort drunkenness, the last one being in 1914. Defendant was bound over in 1911
for six months for false pretences.
Defendant: If you will give me a chance I will turn over a
fresh leaf and will not come up any more.
The Chairman of the Bench (Alderman C. Ed. Mumford) said on
account of defendant`s evident attempt to go straight in recent years, and
because he was an old sailor who had served in the Royal Navy, and because they
believed that he was trying to act better as a citizen, they were only going to
send him for one month`s imprisonment; they might have sent him for a much longer
period. They hoped that that would be a lesson to defendant. People who found
things and kept them were stealing just the same as if they robbed in what was
called the ordinary way of stealing.
With regard to the evidence to which they had listened, the
barman of the Jubilee seemed to rise to the full height of his responsibility
as a servant of his employer. When a note was offered to him the barman very
properly refused to take it and to give change, in view of the fact that he
knew from whom he was taking it. The lessee, strange to say, did not rise to
the full height of his responsibility, and it was the second time in his own
house that day that a £5 note was changed.
Calling Mr. Tingey before the Magistrates, the Chairman
said: “Your barman seems to have acted with great discretion and the
Magistrates regret that you, who hold a licence, did not act in the same way,
and more so because it was the second time during the day that change was made
of a £5 note. The Magistrates wish to say this: We grant licences to men to
hold responsible positions; the lessee of a public house or hotel is in a very
responsible position towards the Bench, and towards the public and the police,
and the Magistrates expect that help and judgement shall be used in dealing
with such cases as this”.
Alderman Mumford then addressed Mr. Ellen. The Magistrates,
he said, were very pleased to think that he, at any rate, recognised the
responsible position in which he was placed. They were glad to express the
opinion that he acted very properly in the matter. They hoped that in the
future the police and the Magistrates would have every help from those who held
licences.
Folkestone
Express 7-1-1928
Tuesday, January 3rd: Before Mr. G.I.
Swoffer, Dr. W.W. Nuttall, Alderman C.E. Mumford, Mr. W.R. Boughton, and Col.
Broome-Giles.
John Patrick Flynn, a young married man, was charged
with unlawfully wounding Elvie Flynn, his wife, by stabbing her in the hip with
a knife, in the Fish Market, the previous night.
P.C. Langford said about 9.40 p.m. the previous day he
was in High Street when he saw a woman. From what she said he went with her to
the Fish Market, and to the Jubilee Inn, where he saw the prisoner. He said to
him “Are you the husband of this woman?” The prisoner`s wife was with him. He
said to him “Your wife has previously come to me and said “My husband has stuck
a pen-knife into me””. To that he made no reply. He then said “I shall take you
to the police station, where you will be detained while further inquiries are
made into it”. He then cautioned him, and he replied “I will come along”. At
the police station he searched the prisoner, and among other articles found
upon him the pen-knife, produced. He also had 13s. 2d. in his possession. Later
he was present when the prisoner was charged by Det. Constable Butcher with
inflicting grievous bodily harm upon Elvie Flynn. He replied “I have nothing to
say”.
Dr. William Claude Percy Barrett said about 10.30 p.m.
he examined Mrs. Flynn and found a small wound on the outside of the left hip
about half an inch in length and an eighth of an inch in depth. This was an incised
wound. It had caused bleeding. Her clothes had been pierced by some instrument
agreeing with the site of the injury. The vest was bloodstained. Either blade
of the pen-knife produced might have caused the wound, but it was probably the
smaller one. The injury was not a serious one. The woman was wearing three
thick articles of clothing and more than playful force must have been used to
inflict the wound. The wound was a very trivial one.
Mrs. Elvie Flynn said she was the wife of the prisoner,
and lived at No. 26, Garden Road. Her husband was an Army pensioner, and she
had been married to him about twelve months. On Monday morning he left home
early to draw his reserve pay. He returned home and gave her £1. He went out
again and she remained indoors until 6 p.m., when he had not returned. She went
to the Shakespeare Hotel, and saw him in the bar there. She asked him for more
money for food, and he said he had none. Outside the bar he took from his
pocket two or three Treasury notes and tore them in halves. He then put them
back into his pocket. He attempted to strike her, but she had her pram with her
baby in it,, and she twisted it round so that he could not strike her. They had
two or three words outside the Shakespeare. She then said “Are you going to give
me any money?”, and he walked away along Guildhall Street. Shortly afterwards
she saw him in Foord Road and he walked behind her. When she went home he came
in just after her. She again asked him for money, and he told her he had none.
Her brother and sister-in-law and their child were in the room then. She went
out and obtained some tea and sugar and on her return the prisoner sent a girl
out for some fish and chips for his supper. When she returned with the fish and
chips he had gone out. He came back two or three minutes afterwards. She did
not ask him for money. He just came in the door and walked out. That was about
7.30 or eight o`clock, and her husband went out with her brother, Frank Waller.
Before he left she told him that it was only beer of which he thought when he
had money. He lost his temper. She remained indoors until about nine o`clock,
and then she went down with her baby in the perambulator to the Fish Market.
She opened the door of the Jubilee Inn and saw her husband sitting in the public
bar. She called him out, but he would not come. She stood outside a few
minutes, then called to him again. He did not come so she called out “You can
have beer; come outside and give us money for food”. He came out and she said
“Will you give me some money?”, and he took the notes from his pocket and tore
them into pieces, and he threw them into the road, saying “There it is there”
She said “You silly”, or something to that effect. As she said that he ran for
her to hit her again. Her mother, who had come out of the Jubilee, said “Don`t
hit her”. She started talking about money again. He ran for her and she thought
he was going to punch her. She pulled the latch of the Oddfellows public house,
intending to get away, and half fell, and as she fell she felt something hit
her in the side just above the left hip. Mrs. Skinner and the men in the public
house came to her assistance, one of the men in the public bar catching her.
Defendant struck her a blow and she thought he was striking her with his fist.
Whe he ran her round the pram he said “I will do you in”. She felt the knife
enter her thigh, and she cried out “He has stabbed me”. She put her hand to the
spot and found that it was covered with blood. She saw a policeman, and P.C.
Langford went with her to the Jubilee. Her husband had been drinking, and she
thought he must have been drunk to a certain extent.
P.C. Langford, re-called, said the prisoner appeared to
be perfectly sober when he arrested him.
Prisoner said hearing what his wife said about his mother
he lost his head.
The Chairman then said he would be committed to take
his trial at the next Quarter Sessions.
Prisoner said he did not ask for bail.
Folkestone
Herald 7-1-1928
Local News
A charge of unlawfully wounding his wife by, it was
alleged, stabbing her with a pen-knife, was preferred against John Patrick
Flynn at the Folkestone Petty Sessions on Tuesday.
P.C. Langford said at about 9.30 the previous night he
was in High Street when a woman made a communication to him. He went to the
Jubilee public house in the Fish Market, where he said to prisoner “Your wife
has just come to me and said “My husband has just stuck a pen-knife in me””. To
that he made no reply. Witness then said to him “I shall take you to the police
station where you will be detained while further enquiries are made”. Witness
cautioned him, and he replied “I will come along”. At the police station, among
other articles found on prisoner, was the pen-knife produced. When formally
charged, prisoner replied “I have nothing to say”.
Dr, W.C.P. Barrett, Police Surgeon, said he examined
Mrs. Flynn at the police station, and found a small incised wound on the
outside of the left hip, half an inch in length, and about an eight of an inch
in depth. All the clothing above the wound had been pierced by some instrument.
Either blade of the pen-knife produced might have caused the injury. The wound
was not dangerous. The woman was wearing three thick articles of clothing, and
more than playful force must have been used to inflict it.
Mrs. Elvie Flynn, who gave her address as 26, Garden
Road, Folkestone, said her husband was an Army pensioner. They had been married
12 months. On Monday morning he left home early to draw his Reserve pay, and
returned about 9.30, giving her £1. He then went out again. About 6 p.m., as he
had not returned, she went to the Shakespeare Hotel, where, outside the house
she asked prisoner for more money for food. He took two or three Treasury notes
from his pocket and tore them in halves, and put them back in his pocket. He
then attempted to strike her. She asked him again for money, and he walked away
down Guildhall Street. Shortly afterwards she saw him in Foord Road and he
walked behind her home. When they reached home she again asked him for some
money and he told her he had none. Prisoner went out with her brother about
7.30 or 7.45. In the house they had an argument about money. At about 9 o`clock
she went to the Jubilee Inn, in the Fish Market. She opened the door and called
her husband. He would not come out. A few minutes later she called him again
and said “You can have beer. Come on out and give me money for some food, will
you?” He came out, took the notes from his pocket, tore them into smaller
pieces, and, she thought, threw them into the road, saying “There it is”. He
ran to her again to hit her but her mother, who had come out of the Jubilee,
said “Don`t hit her”. Witness started talking about money again and defendant
ran for her. She thought he was going to punch her. She caught hold of the
latch of the Oddfellows Inn (sic), and as she partly fell he struck her in the
left side. People in the public house came to her assistance. She thought
defendant hit her with his fist. She did not see a knife in his hand. When he
struck her he said “I will do you in”. When she was picked up she put her hand
where the blow landed, and it came away covered in blood. She then found she
had been stabbed. She went and found P.C. Langford. The knife produced belonged
to her husband. Defendant had been drinking and must have been drunk to a
certain extent.
P.C. Langford (re-called) said when arrested prisoner
appeared to be perfectly sober.
The Magistrates then retired for a short period, and
upon their return announced that prisoner would be committed for trial.
Prisoner, who did not ask for bail, said with his wife
saying things about his mother, he lost his head.
Folkestone
Express 28-1-1928
Quarter Sessions
Saturday, January 21st: Before Roland
Giffard Oliver Esq.
John Patrick Flynn, 22, a miner, pleaded Guilty to
maliciously wounding his wife, Elvie, at Folkestone, on January 2nd
last.
Mr. J. Weigall (instructed by Mr. A.F. Kidson, the Town
Clerk) prosecuted, and said the prisoner had pleaded Guilty to stabbing his
wife with a pen-knife outside a Folkestone public house in the Fish Market. The
man was of good character, and the matter seemed to have started by the wife
demanding money from her husband, who, instead of giving her money, went off to
the public house. The prisoner made a statement at the Police Court that he
lost his head because of the observations his wife made about his mother.
Mrs. Flynn was called, and she said her husband was a
miner and a good workman. She and her child had nothing to live upon if her
husband was sent to prison.
The Recorder: Are you afraid of him?
Mrs. Flynn: No, sir. In reply to further questions by
the Recorder, she said it was true she called his mother over something cruel.
The Chief Constable said the trouble seemed to have
been going on for some time. The prisoner came from Wollaston, Staffordshire.
He was educated at Newcastle, Stafford, and the schoolmaster said he was quite
a good boy. He worked in the pits from 14 years of age until March, 1924, when
he joined the Army and served for three years. At the end of that time he
returned to Wollaston with his wife and baby, and they resided with his mother.
He again went to work until August last, when he left of his own accord. While
at Wollaston Colliery he bore a good character. There was no record of any
conviction against him, and nothing was known detrimental to his character. His
wife took out a summons against him at Wollaston for persistent cruelt, which
was to be heard at Burslem on May 17th, 1927, but as there was no
appearance the case was not heard. On two occasions the police had been called
to the house where they lived, but on account of the quarrels taking place in
the house no action could be taken in the case. In the opinion of the police in
Staffordshire the quarrels appeared to have been caused by the idle and dirty
habits of the wife.
Dr. W.C.P. Barrett, in answer to the Recorder, said the
wound was really only a graze. Although the skin was broken it was nothing more
than a scratch.
The Recorder, addressing the prisoner, said he (Flynn)
had been in prison since the incident occurred, and he had had time to think
about it. He was going to give him another chance. He did not know that he
ought to do so because he had a knife. In England they did not like people who
used knives. He was prepared to think from what happened it was a very trivial
use of the knife, resulting in a mere scratch – fortunately for the prisoner.
He was going to give him another chance, as much for his wife`s sake as his
own. He was going to bind him over for two years to be of good behaviour. The
prisoner and his wife must not have these dreadful quarrels in public, or anywhere
else. He was being treated very mercifully. If he went on like that again he
would be brought before him, and be sentenced for what he did on that occasion.
He (the Recorder) advised him to take that as a warning, and try to do better.
The prisoner: Thank you, sir.
Folkestone
Herald 28-1-1928
Quarter Sessions
Saturday, January 21st: Before Roland Oliver
Esq.
John Patrick Flynn, aged 22, a miner, was indicted for,
on January 2nd, at Folkestone, maliciously wounding Elvie Flynn, his
wife. Accused pleaded Guilty, and a written statement was handed to the
Recorder.
At the Police Court hearing of the case it was stated
that prisoner stabbed his wife with a pen-knife outside the Oddfellows Arms
public house, in the Fish Market.
Mr. Weigall, who appeared for the prosecution, said he
was informed that the man was of good character, and the trouble seemed to have
started by the wife demanding housekeeping money. Instead of giving her the
money, he went into a public house. She got him out, and before the Police
Court there was a statement by the prisoner that he lost his head because of an
offensive observation made by the wife about his mother.
Mrs. Elvie Flynn was then called, and in answer to the
Recorder said she would have nothing to live on if her husband was sent to
prison.
The Recorder: Are you afraid of him? – No, sir.
Has he ever done anything of this sort before? – No,
sir.
The Recorder: He says that you said to him on that
evening when you quarrelled “You are like your mother. She is no good to me,
and nor are you”. – I called his mother something cruel, and I had no business
to.
The Chief Constable (Mr. A.S. Beesley) said the trouble
seemed to have been going on for some years; he believed ever since they had
been married. Prisoner was born on November 25th, 1905, at
Newcastle, Stafford, and was educated at a Roman Catholic school and other
places. His schoolmasters said that he was quite a good boy when at school. In
1917 he went to live at Wollaston, and when he was nearly 14 he went to work as
pitboy at Wollaston Colliery. On January 19th, 1923, he became wagon
man in the colliery, where he remained until March 13th, 1924, when
he left of his own accord to join the Army. He served three years and returned
with his wife and baby to live with his mother at Wollaston. He went to work in
the colliery again, and remained there until the end of August last year, when
he left of his own accord to go to Folkestone. While at the colliery he bore a
good character, and no complaint was made about his work. There was no record
of any conviction or anything detrimental to his character. During the time he
was living with his wife and baby and mother, his wife took out a summons
against him for persistent cruelty. This was heard on May 17th,
1927, at Burslem, but as there was no appearance the case was not heard. On two
occasions the police had been called on account of prisoner and his wife
quarrelling in the house, but no action was taken. In the opinion of the police
the trouble appeared to have been caused by the idle, dirty habits and temper
of the wife.
Dr. C. Barrett, Police Surgeon, said technically the
woman had a wound because the skin was broken, but it was nothing more than a
scratch.
Replying to the Recorder, prisoner said he had been in
prison since January 5th.
The Recorder: I am going to give you another chance. I
don`t know that I ought to, because you used a knife, and in England we do not
like people who use knives, but I am prepared to think that from what happened
it was very trivial, and the use of the knife resulted in a mere scratch,
fortunately for you. I am going to give you another chance as much for your
wife`s sake as for your own, because I do not see what good would be done in
sending you to prison. You will be bound over for two years to be of good
behaviour. You wife and you must not have these dreadful quarrels in public or
anywhere else. You are being treated very mercifully.
Folkestone
Express 14-12-1929
Tuesday, December 10th: Before Alderman C.E.
Mumford, Mr. W.R. Boughton, Alderman T.S. Franks, Mrs. E. Gore, and Mr. W.
Smith.
William George Taylor appeared on a summons charged
with being drunk on the licensed premises of the Jubilee Inn, of which he is
the licence holder.
He was subsequently bound over, but the Magistrates
stated that the case was proved against him.
Mr. B.H. Bonniface appeared for the defendant, and
pleaded Not Guilty.
Inspector Pittock applied for the witnesses to be out
of Court. The Magistrates agreed.
Inspector Pittock said at 9.05 p.m. on November 26th
he was walking down Dover Street, when he saw three men at the bottom of Harvey
Street struggling. The men went down the street, and the centre one was
staggering about and being supported by the arms of the other men. He followed
them and saw them turn into Radnor Street. They disappeared about halfway along
Radnor Street. He fetched P.C. Whitehead, and accompanied him to the Jubilee
public house, Radnor Street. On entering by the Radnor Street entrance, he
found the defendant in the private bar just inside, on the public side of the
counter, with his jacket off and his shirt sleeves rolled back. He said to him
“Have three men just entered this house?” He replied “No”. He at once noticed
he was drunk. He then walked through the bars with P.C. Whitehead, and Taylor followed
them, and on the Stade side he said to Taylor “You are drunk. I advise you to
get upstairs and out of the way”. He replied “I am all right”. He asked him if
he had been out and had just come in. He replied “I have not been out. I have
been here since six”. During this conversation he was staggering about,
unsteady on his feet, his speech was slurred and indistinct, and standing in an
ungainly attitude with his back arched and his head back. He staggered back on
to the wall of the house on two or three occasions, and on one occasion P.C.
Whitehead steadied him, or he would have collapsed on to the ground.
Defendant`s wife and a customer named Thomas Gosling then came outside, and he
said to Mrs. Taylor, in defendant`s presence, “Your husband is drunk, Mrs.
Taylor. You had better get him upstairs; he is not to go into those bars
again”. She replied “The landlord of the Harvey sent for him just after six,
and he has just come home. He looks to me as though he has been doped”. They
then persuaded the defendant to go away with them through the public passage,
and entered the house on the Radnor Street side. Defendant called on his two
days later at the police station. He said “Yes, Mr. Taylor, what is it?”, and
he replied “I wish to apologise to you, Mr. Pittock, for the condition you
found me in the other night”. He said “I am sorry, but I am afraid your
apologies are no good to me. I have reported the facts to the Chief Constable”.
Previous to leaving the Jubilee he interviewed men named Pepin and Hall.
Cross-examined by Mr. Bonniface, witness said Taylor
had been in the house for two years, and the house had been greatly improved
since he had been there. The centre man of the three was drunk, but the other
two were not. They did not pass the Richmond public house during the time he
saw him. Taylor could not have been drinking in the house. He would not think
that the defendant had been out helping to wash glasses; he would be unable to
do so in the condition in which he was. He had had a very good opinion of the
defendant, and he knew what a serious thing that was for him.
P.C. Whitehead corroborated Inspector Pittock.
Taylor, giving evidence, said from 1914 to 1927 he was
serving at sea, and his discharge papers were marked “Character very good”. He
had been out that particular evening, and was with Pepin and Hall. He returned
to his own public house. He first walked into his private kitchen and took off
his overcoat and rolled up his sleeves. The Inspector came into the house two
minutes after, just as he walked through the kitchen door. He followed them
through and spoke to them outside. He agreed that the Inspector told him he was
drunk, but he replied he was not. Inspector Pittock said “I believe you are
drunk”, and he replied “I don`t think so”. He admitted he had had one or two
drinks. His wife and Gosling came out, and he walked down the passage behind
him. He did not go into the bara again until a quarter past ten, when he washed
up the glasses and cashed up the day`s takings.
In reply to the Clerk (Mr. J. Andrew), defendant said
Pepin did not come into the room with him when he took off his coat. When he
spoke to Inspector Pittock he thought he told him he had been out. His wife and
father-in-law helped him with the glasses. He went to the Harvey Hotel at 6.30
and had two glasses of bitter and two gins and peppermint.
The Clerk: Is it a fact that you were requested by the
landlord to leave the Harvey Hotel?
Defendant: No.
The Clerk: You left voluntarily?
Defendant: Yes. Proceeding, he said he then went to the
Richmond, where Pepin, Hall and he had a glass of bitter. They only stayed
there five minutes. He was not requested by the landlord to leave the house or
advised to go home.
In reply to Mr. Bonniface, defendant said he told the
landlord of the Harvey that it was time he left, as his wife was at home alone.
Albert Edward Pepin, 33, Harvey Street, said he was
with Taylor practically all the evening from seven o`clock, meeting him in the
Harvey. They went to Mr. Ingleton`s house, where they had a bitter apiece. They
were not told by Mr. Ingleton that it would be better for them to go home. He
went home with Taylor, and was in the bar when the Inspector came into the
house. Taylor was sober. He saw him go into his kitchen, and afterwards come into
the bar. He subsequently spoke to Inspector Pittock.
In reply to the Clerk, defendant said Ingleton, the
landlord of the Richmond, would not have a drink with Taylor, but he did not
advise them to go home.
Mr. Ernest Frederick Hodges, assistant barman and
cellarman at the Jubilee, said on November 26th he was in the bar
from a quarter to seven until ten o`clock. He did not see Mr. Taylor until
after ten o`clock, when he came into the bar to cash up and to help in the
washing up. Defendant was not drunk.
Witness, in reply to the Clerk, said after ten o`clock
he was not in the bar at all. He was the defendant`s father-in-law, and he did
not assist in washing up the glasses.
Edward Hall, a fishmonger, 21, Great Fenchurch Street,
said he met the defendant in the Harvey Hotel, and came home with him. They
went to the Richmond, and Mr. Ingleton did not advise them to go home. When he
left defendant, Mr. Taylor was sober.
The Chairman, after the Magistrates had retired to
consider their decision, said the Magistrates were unanimous in finding that
the case was proved, but they wished to add that the defendant had improved the
character and conduct of the house. They also took into consideration the
defendant`s services to their country. Although they found the case proved,
they were going to take a course they thought met the case. They bound the
defendant over to be of good behaviour for six months.
The Clerk (to the defendant): Understand this is not a
conviction against you.
Folkestone
Herald 14-12-1929
Local News
William George Taylor was summoned at the Folkestone
Petty Sessions on Tuesday for being drunk on licensed premises, the Jubilee
public house.
The Magistrates were: Alderman C.E. Mumford (in the
chair), Alderman T.S. Franks, Mr. W.R. Boughton, Mrs. E. Gore, and Mr. W.
Smith. Mr. B.H. Bonniface defended, and pleaded Not Guilty.
Inspector G. Pittock said at 9.05 p.m. on November 22nd
he was walking down Dover Street, when he saw three men struggling at the
bottom of Harvey Street. He then saw the three men go on down the street. The
centre one was staggering about and the other two were supporting him by his
arms. He followed them down and saw them turn into Radnor Street. They
disappeared about halfway along Radnor Street. He fetched P.C. Whitehead and
accompanied him to the Jubilee public house, in Radnor Street. On entering by
the Radnor Street door he found the defendant at the private bar, just inside on
the public side of the counter, with his jacket off and shirt sleeves rolled
back. He said to him “Have three men just entered this house?” He replied “No”.
He at once noticed that the man was drunk. Witness then walked through the bars
with P.C. Whitehead. Taylor followed them, and on The Stade he said to
defendant “You are drunk. I advise you to get up the stairs out of the way” He
replied “I am all right”. He asked him if he had been out or if he had just
come in. He replied “I have not been out. I have been here since 6 o`clock”.
During the conversation defendant was staggering about, very unsteady on his
feet, his speech was slurred and indistinct, and he was standing in a very
ungainly attitude with his back arched and head back. He staggered back against
the wall of the house on several occasions, and on one occasion P.C. Whitehead
steadied him otherwise he would have collapsed to the ground. Defendant`s wife
and a customer named Thomas Gosling then came outside. He said to Mrs. Taylor,
in defendant`s presence, “Your husband is drunk Mrs. Taylor; you had better get
him upstairs. He is not to go in those bars again”. She replied “The landlord
of the Harvey sent down for him just after 6 o`clock, and he has just come
home. He looks to me as though he has been doped”. They then persuaded the
defendant to go away with them to the Radnor Street entrance, each holding one
arm. Defendant called on him two days later at the police station. He said
“Yes, taylor, what is it?” and he replied “I wish to apologise to you, Mr.
Pittock, for the condition you found me in the other night”. Witness said “I am
sorry, but I am afraid your apologies are no good to me. I have reported the
facts to the Chief Constable”.
Cross-examined, witness said defendant had been the licensee
of the Jubilee for about two years, and the house had greatly improved since he
had been there. When he saw the three men he had mentioned that the centre man
was drunk, not the other two men. They went past the Richmond public house
before he saw them. Taylor was not drunk in that house. In the condition he had
seen defendant he would not have thought it possible for him to have been able
to cash up and wash glasses that night. He had had a good opinion of the
defendant as a licensee.
P.C. Whitehead corroborated.
Defendant said from 1914 to 1927 he was serving at sea,
and his discharge papers were marked “Character: Very Good”. He agreed that he
had been out that evening and that he had been in company with two men named
Peppin and Hall. When he got back he walked into the private kitchen, took off
his hat, coat and jacket, and rolled up his sleeves. The inspector came in two
or three minutes after. As they walked through defendant came out of the
kitchen door. He followed them through and spoke to them outside. He agreed
that the inspector told him he was drunk and he said he was not. The inspector
said “Taylor, I think you are drunk”. He replied “I don`t think so”. He
admitted he had been out and had one or two drinks. Gosling and his wife walked
behind him as he went down the passage. At 10 o`clock he washed the glasses and
cashed up the day`s takings.
By the Clerk (Mr. J. Andrew): Peppin did not come into
the room. He told the inspector he had been out. His wife and father-in-law
helped him with the glasses. He had been to the Harvey Hotel, and while there
he had two bitters and two gin and peppermints because he had a cold in his
kidneys.
The Clerk: Is it a fact that you were requested by the
landlord of the Harvey Hotel to leave his house?
Defendant: No, sir, I left voluntarily.
In reply to further questions, defendant said he called
in at the Richmond on the way back. He was there about five minutes and he had
one glass of bitter. He was not requested by the landlord to leave the house,
nor did the landlord advise him to go home.
Alfred Edward Peppin, of 33, Harvey Street, said he was
with Taylor from 7 o`clock on the evening in question. He met him in the Harvey
Hotel, and he also went with him to the Richmond public house. They were not
told by Mr. Ingleton, the landlord there, to go and get home. He went right
home with Taylor and he was in the bar when the inspector came in. Defendant
was sober. He saw him go into the kitchen, and he also saw him afterwards come
through the bar. Witness subsequently spoke to Inspector Pittock.
By the Clerk: At the Richmond Taylor asked Ingleton to
have a drink with him. He replied “I don`t want one now”. The landlord did not
say anything about defendant`s condition.
Edward Fred Hodges, employed at the Jubilee public
house as assistant barman and cellarman, said on the evening in question he was
in the bar from 6.45 to after 10 o`clock. He heard defendant cash up. Defendant
also helped to wash up, and he was not drunk.
Edward Hall, of 21, Great Fenchurch Street, a
fishmonger, said he met defendant in the Harvey Hotel and came home with him.
Mr. Ingleton, of the Richmond public house, did not tell defendant to go home.
When he left defendant was sober.
The Bench retired and upon their return the Chairman
announced that defendant would be bound over for six months. “The Bench are
unanimous” said the Chairman, “in finding that the case is proved, but we wish
to state that were are satisfied that you have improved the character and
conduct of this house, and taking that into consideration, and also your
services to your country, we are taking a course which we think will meet the
case. You will be bound over for six months”.
The Clerk: That is not a conviction.
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