Memories from the pubs in and around Folkestone, with contemporary newspaper reports.
Thanks And Acknowledgements
My thanks go to Kent Libraries and Archives - Folkestone Library and also to the archive of the Folkestone Herald. For articles from the Folkestone Observer, my thanks go to the Kent Messenger Group. Southeastern Gazette articles are from UKPress Online, and Kentish Gazette articles are from the British Newspaper Archive. See links below.
Paul Skelton`s great site for research on pubs in Kent is also linked
Other sites which may be of interest are the Folkestone and District Local History Society, the Kent History Forum, Christine Warren`s fascinating site, Folkestone Then And Now, and Step Short, where I originally found the photo of the bomb-damaged former Langton`s Brewery, links also below.
Paul Skelton`s great site for research on pubs in Kent is also linked
Other sites which may be of interest are the Folkestone and District Local History Society, the Kent History Forum, Christine Warren`s fascinating site, Folkestone Then And Now, and Step Short, where I originally found the photo of the bomb-damaged former Langton`s Brewery, links also below.
Welcome
Welcome to Even More Tales From The Tap Room.
Core dates and information on licensees tenure are taken from Martin Easdown and Eamonn Rooney`s two fine books on the pubs of Folkestone, Tales From The Tap Room and More Tales From The Tap Room - unfortunately now out of print. Dates for the tenure of licensees are taken from the very limited editions called Bastions Of The Bar and More Bastions Of The Bar, which were given free to very early purchasers of the books.
Easiest navigation of the site is by clicking on the PAGE of the pub you are looking for and following the links to the different sub-pages. Using the LABELS is, I`m afraid, not at all user-friendly.
Contrast Note
Whilst the above-mentioned books and supplements represent an enormous amount of research over many years, it is almost inevitable that further research will throw up some differences to the published works. Where these have been found, I have noted them. This is not intended to detract in any way from previous research, but merely to indicate that (possible) new information is available.
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Friday, 15 May 2015
Updates
15th May, 2015: South Kent Gazette and Folkestone Herald Reports for 1980 Added.
Harvey Hotel 1970s - 1980s
Folkestone Herald
7-4-1979
Local News
As Dan Kissane left the Harvey pub, Folkestone from
which he had been previously banned, the licensee heard glass breaking in a
door. At Folkestone Magistrates` Court on Friday, Kissane, aged 47, admitted
criminal damage.
Diane Wray, defending, said the incident occurred on
New Year`s Eve and her client, of Marshall Street, Folkestone, had been with a
family party which began at 2.30 p.m.
Kissane was fined £25 and ordered to pay £150
compensation.
Folkestone Herald
29-11-1980
Local News
A chase from Folkestone`s Harvey Hotel and the subsequent
recovery of £96 from a gutter in nearby Queen Street was recalled at Folkestone
Magistrates` Court last Friday.
Gareth Jordan, 18, admitted burglary, involving theft of
cash. He was given a three month prison sentence, suspended for two years.
Inspector Ronald Young said a customer at the hotel
chased Gordon and caught him. The money had come from a till.
The Court heard that Jordan was at present undergoing
Borstal training for other offences.
Pavilion Hotel 1970s - 1980s
Folkestone Herald 24-2-1973
Local News
A girl was knocked unconscious and a member of a pop group had two front
teeth knocked out when they were assaulted in a bar, Folkestone magistrates
heard on Monday.
John Friend, aged 20, of Beatty Road, Folkestone, pleaded guilty to
assaulting Ian Whitby, occasioning him actual bodily harm. Friend
also admitted three other assaults committed on the same occasion in the pavilion
bar at the Royal Pavilion, Folkestone. Ian
Whitby was a member of a pop group playing at the Pavilion that night. Also
assaulted were Steven Robert Whitby, Neil Clinton Buckie, both members of the pop group, and Miss Jacqueline
Payne. Friend pleaded guilty to the assaults
as well, and to a charge of criminal damage.
Inspector Ronald
Young, prosecuting, told the court that the pop group were with two girls, one
of them Miss Payne, in the bar, awaiting transport home to Dover. “The accused was in the bar and had been drinking. He first punched Ian Whitby and two other members of
the group, and one of the girls, who was knocked unconscious”. Friend then struck Ian Whitby in the mouth, knocking him
unconscious and breaking two teeth. Inspector
Young said the police were called during the violence and after Friend had hit
Ian Whitby unconscious, he ran off. He was found on The Leas and became “extremely violent” towards police
officers and was later placed in the detention room at the police station.
There he did £22.50 worth
of damage to the wooden cover round a radiator and the framework of the door.
Friend said “I had been drinking quite heavily. I went to ask the young
lady if I could have a dance, and before she had time to speak one of the lads
interrupted and said no. He took a swing at me. I took a swing at him and he got out of the way
and the young lady got in the way and she fell on the floor”.
The case was adjourned until March 9 for a probation report.
Violence flared after Saturday night dancing to a pop group called
Brainstorm. Punches flew in the Pavilion Bar near Folkestone harbour,
Folkestone magistrates heard on Friday. Three members of the group were taken to hospital. So was a
16-year-old girl who was knocked out in the fight. Cause of the trouble was
20-year-old John Friend, of Beatty Road, Folkestone. And on Friday he paid the
penalty – the Magistrates ordered him to Borstal.
Folkestone Gazette
14-3-1973
Local News
Friend had admitted assault occasioning actual bodily hard to three
members of the pop group, Ian and Roger Whitby and Neil Buckle, and Jacqueline
Payne, one of two girls with the group. He had also pleaded Guilty to causing
criminal damage to a detention room at Folkestone Police Station.
Inspector Philip Roberts, prosecuting, said the incident, on February 17,
resulted in one of the men losing two teeth, and the two others receiving black
eyes. Friend ran off, but was later found on The Leas. He was aggressive to
police officers. He was left in a detention room at the police station, where
he damaged a wooden radiator cover and a wall.
Friend had been remanded in custody by the court two weeks previously for
reports. On Friday, magistrates were told that he had been released from Borstal
training last September.
Mr. Thomas Hulme, defending, said Friend had been drinking at the time
of the incident. He had recognised that he had a drink problem and had made an effort to
do something about it.
Friend’s mother said that since returning from Borstal her son had got on
well and had worked hard. “I was shocked that night when I heard he was at the police station”, she
said.
The presiding Magistrate, Mrs. Dorothy Buttery, told Friend “Due to the
seriousness of the offences we are ordering you to be returned to Borstal”.
Folkestone Herald 10-8-1974
Local News
Warning that he now had a bad reputation was given to a 34-year-old man
who appeared before Folkestone magistrates on Monday.
William Daniel Bolland, of Cambridge Gardens, Folkestone, admitted being
drunk and disorderly on Folkestone sea front on Sunday.
Inspector John Ansell, prosecuting, said the police went to the Royal
Pavilion bar in Harbour Approach Road at about 10.35 p.m. Holland, who was in a group of
people, started to use “extremely obscene language”. He was told to stop, but
continued to use it. “It
got stronger and stronger”, said Inspector Ansell. Bolland was arrested and charged.
The court was told he had two previous convictions for being drunk and
disorderly. Fining him £10, the presiding magistrate, Mr. John Moncrieff, said “You
realise now that you have become well-known?”
Bolland, who said he worked as a builder’s labourer, agreed.
Folkestone Herald
11-2-1978
Except from “Front Line Folkestone” article.
There was a lucky escape for the Royal Pavilion Hotel,
Folkestone, during one of many raids on the town in September, 1940. The hotel escaped destruction because a 1,000
lb bomb, dropped from roof-top height by a Ju.88, did not explode. The bomb hit
the roadway and then went through a window into the basement of the hotel
before coming to rest on a shelf where carpets were stored. A bomb disposal
officer, using a doctor’s stethoscope, found that the bomb was ticking when he
examined it.
Folkestone Herald
16-6-1979
Local News
The
demolition of Folkestone's
dilapidated Royal Pavilion Hotel and the re-housing of its tenants in the
adjacent Pavilion Court flats has come a big jump nearer.
Shepway District
Council's Health and Housing Committee accepted on Monday the District Valuer's
negotiations and price for acquiring Pavilion Court. This followed the committee`s decision last February to
"immediately and urgently” open negotiations for the flats.
Referring at Monday’s
meeting to an estimate of £51,000
to correct defects in the 100 flat complex, the treasurer, Mr. Arthur
Ruderman, said that £75,000 would be more realistic. The negotiations with the owner, Mr. Motel Burstin, were on
the basis that the council should pay sitting tenant value, although 40 flats
were vacant. “I think the council needs to
grasp this nettle and decide on the broader issues”, said Mr. Ruderman. “I
don’t think anybody would deny that conditions in the Royal Pavilion are
deplorable". “It might well be that, in taking this action, the council
would be helping the owner out of a difficult position”, the treasurer added.
But if it were not taken, nothing was likely to be done for the people in the
Royal Pavilion.
Asked if there was any way the council could force
the owner to “bulldoze this place down”, the chairman, Councillor Will Harris,
said a condition of the contract would be that money would be withheld unless
this were done. "We don't want him
to get this money - and I would say this to his face - and then find we are
still faced with the problem”, said the chairman. The 37 tenants would be re-housed “directly or indirectly."
If any of them were housed elsewhere, their empty flats would be available for
others.
South Kent Gazette
22-8-1979
Local News
When Folkestone’s Royal Pavilion Hotel was
sold to property tycoon Motel Burstin it was hailed as “splendid news” for the
town. That
was in April 1960. The early Victorian building had lain empty since the War
Office gave up possession 15 years before. Today, after a public outcry over living conditions
for elderly tenants of flats at the former hotel, Shepway District Council is
preparing to buy up the adjacent Pavilion Court annex so that the Royal can be
demolished.
Household Works - a little-known essay by Charles
Dickens published in 1855 - gave the watering hole of the well-to-do rave
reviews. It
was, said Dickens, the epitome of good catering standards, having been built in
1843 to an "unpretending” design by Mr. W. Cubitt. And its importance to the developing
port impressed him so much that he referred to the town throughout as
Pavilionstone! A
century later Folkestone’s pride and glory has deteriorated into a dilapidated
slum Formerly owned by Frederick Hotels Ltd., the
building was closed after the Dunkirk evacuation in 1940. Later it was occupied
by the Royal Navy and towards the end of hostilities the Army used it for leave
troops. Its last wartime role was as a married families` hostel.
With the takeover in
1960, Polish-born Mr. Burstin promised a major overhaul of the Royal and its speedy conversion into
flatlets. But
as a success story it was short-lived. The town’s oldest large hotel, and the
first to be lit by electricity, deteriorated into one of its worst slums. The rise of the Motel Burstin hotel in
1974 brought a rapid decline to the Royal. For his 250-room harbour complex, Mr. Burstin
envisaged a future as one of the biggest conference centres in Europe. But the
650-room extension would come at the expense of the old hotel. “We hope to have 30,000 conference delegates
in Folkestone by 1977. It is our minimum figure”, he said at the time. However, speculation never took
concrete form and after the remaining wings of the Royal were overshadowed by
the massive new edifice, conditions in the Royal deteriorated.
Early in 1969 the old ballroom had been closed
down. Mr. Burstin described it as “a victim of the changing times”. Another disappointment struck four
years later. Old Folkestonians had remembered that 800 books of gold leaf were
used to gild ornamental domes in 1909.
Unfortunately, they had been camouflaged at the
outbreak of war. The cost of recovering the precious metal would have been more
than it was worth.
Teething troubles at the motel had created problems
for the parent company – Mount Liell Court Ltd. – of which Mr. Burstin is a
director. Lack
of safety precautions on the uncompleted site had already cost Folkestone
Construction Ltd. £800 in fines. A year later - November 1975 - Mount Liell was
fined £980 by the town’s magistrates after the company was convicted on 22
summonses alleging insanitary conditions at the hotel - which still had kitchens
in the Royal Pavilion. Elderly
tenants complained of rain coming through the roof, stuck and broken windows,
violent attacks by intruders, too few staff and no milk deliveries. Vandals and thieves rampaged through
the crumbling corridors - terrorising old folk living alone. They also had to
put up with a “firebug” terror.
By September 1975, millionaire Mr. Burstin admitted
the Royal was no longer a haven. Faced with a barrage of complaints from residents,
he said “Those who don’t like it and feel so bitter, should move”.
Armed intruders bludgeoned a night-watchman
unconscious in 1976. He was sacked shortly afterwards for taking a weekend off
sick. Just
over two years ago the professed socialist announced that the 130-year-old
Royal was to be demolished in favour of the long-awaited Burstin extension. More than 80 occupants would be given a
choice of moving to other properties owned by the company at Southend, Bexhill, Hastings and
the nearby Pavilion Court, he said. At that time he was replying to an attack by
Hastings Council, which had accused him of deliberately letting four sea-front
buildings, housing nearly 100 elderly people, become run down. He replied
that he had been hit hard by the economic recession. There were no money problems in Folkestone
and his £10 million scheme would start in nine months and be completed within
three years, Mr. Burstin claimed.
To date it has not materialised and in February
this year - under pressure from the housing action group, Shelter - the former
Southend councillor admitted: “Things are bad at the Royal Pavilion flats”. Speaking to Folkestone Junior Chamber of
Commerce, he said candidly “I wouldn’t put my own mother up at the Royal
Pavilion”.
Unharmed when a “dud” 2,000 pound bomb fell into a
basement during the war, the once-glorious hotel is now under sentence of
death.
Shepway District Council has been given the
go-ahead to take over and improve the 100-flat Pavilion Court by the Department
of the Environment. Now
all that remains is for financial arrangements to be settled so that rehoused
tenants officially come under local authority care. Before the affair is dead
and buried, the Royal Pavilion must be razed to the ground.
Folkestone Herald
19-1-1980
Local News
Demolition workers have started to knock down a notorious
Folkestone seaside slum. In the next four months a ten-man crew will gut the
building and finally raze it to the ground. And owner, Mr. Motel Burstin, said
this week he will use the site to extend the existing motel. Shelter, the
housing action group, branded Pavilion Court “a seaside slum”. Backed by former
Folkestone parish curate, the Rev. Tony Shepherd, members campaigned to have it
knocked down.
Old folk complained of damp, unhealthy conditions. They
were prey to vandals, muggers and firebugs. Then Shepway District Council
stepped in and agreed to buy Pavilion Court from Mr. Burstin, who agreed to
demolish the Royal Pavilion. The Council said it would turn the Court into
sheltered homes for old people.
Mr. Burstin said on Wednesday “I intend to build the
approved extensions to the existing motel on the site. These include kitchens
and restaurants. When the complex is finished I hope to be able to accommodate
about 1,400 people. The sooner the Royal Pavilion is down the better. It can
only be in the interests of the remaining residents”.
Mr. John Gluntz, deputy controller of Shepway District
Council`s Technical and Planning Services Department, said the Council has no
details of Mr. Burstin`s plans. “We would like to see what he has in mind”, he
said. “We`re glad to see the Royal Pavilion go down, but we would be interested
to see his ideas for development”.
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