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Thursday, 4 January 2024

Folkestone Cutter, Dover Street 1815 - 1893


Licensees

John Dunn 1815 1817
John Sills 1818 1818
William Punnett 1817 1823
William Downing 1823 1826
William Court c1826 1859+ 
Richard Court c1861 c1861 (1861 Census)
Mr. Finn 1868 1869
Moses Browning 1869 1870
William Baker 1870 1871 Later Eagle Tavern
John Whittingham Boorn 1871 1873 From Fountain (2)
Edward Smith 1873 1874
Louisa Smith 1874 1876 As Folkestone Castle?
Frederick Wallis 1876 1877 From Crown And Anchor
James Roots 1877 1878
Thomas Wallis 1878 1878 From Crown And Anchor
Henry Liddell 1878 1879
Frederick Hudson 1879 1880
John Kettell 1880 1880
George Burnett 1880 1888 Listed as Folkestone Cutter again in 1883
Mary Ann Burnett 1888 1891
George Burgess 1891 1892 Ex Richmond Tavern
Charles Gasby 1892 1892
James Ward 1893 1893
Francis Bailey 1893 1893 Renamed Welcome Inn
 

Kentish Chronicle 12-8-1817 

Auction Advertisement Extract:

To Brewers and Others – to be sold by auction at the Folkestone Arms Inn, Folkestone, on Thursday, the 21st August, 1817, in three lots:

Lot 3: All that good accustomed freehold public house and premises, known by the name of the Folkestone Cutter, situate in Dover Street, in the town of Folkestone, now in the occupation of William Punnett, who will show the premises.

For further particulars apply to Mr. Thomas S. Baker, Folkestone.

Kentish Chronicle 1-1-1819 

Folkestone: Desirable freehold and free public houses to be sold by auction by F.J. Hiller, on Friday, the 8th of January, 1819, at two o`clock, at the sign of the Folkestone Cutter, in Dover Street, Folkestone.

Also that free and freehold public house, known by the sign of the Folkestone Cutter, in Dover Street, Folkestone, and now occupied by John Sills.

Note: Not listed in More Bastions.

These premises are advantageously let for an unexpired term of six years.

Further particulars known by applying to F.J. Hiller, surveyor, 145, Snargate Street, Dover.

Southeastern Gazette 5-9-1854, Dover Chronicle 9-9-1854

Local News

Petty Sessions. Before Jas. Kelcey, Esq.

William Court, landlord of the Folkestone Cutter, was summoned by the police for opening his house before one o’olock on Sunday, contrary to the New Act, but on his promising not to offend again, the case was dismissed

Southeastern Gazette 6-7-1858

Local News

On Tuesday the council met again, when it was reported that Mr. Ash, of Canterbury, owner of the “Folkestone Cutter”, proposed to pull down the house and rebuild it. A plan was produced, but not approved of by the corporation, as they required the road to be widened.

Southeastern Gazette 28-6-1859

Monthly Meeting of the Corporation.

Present: The Mayor, Alderman Gardner, Councillors Jinkings, Wightwick, Caister, H. Jefferey, Tite, Boarer, James Banks, and John Banks.
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Plans prepared by Joseph Messenger, Esq., of a public house in Dover Street, to be erected by Mr. Ash for his tenant, Mr. Court, were submitted to the council for approval. A long conversation ensued respecting the small piece of land which would be given up by the house being set back, and the compensation required for it by Mr. Ash. Our readers may recollect that some time since £40 was offered for a piece of land to be added to Dover-street, but declined by Mr. Ash
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Mr. Jinkings was in favour of compensation given.

Mr. John Banks considered the setting back of the house a great benefit to Mr. Ash, and that they ought not to give any compensation; they could not afford to do so, and it would be no benefit unless other property was purchased so as to widen the street.

A resolution, proposed by Mr. James Banks, that the plans be approved of, but no compensation given, was carried by 5 to 3.

Southeastern Gazette 26-11-1861

Inquest

An inquest was held on Saturday last, at the Folkestone Cutter Inn, before S. Eastes, Esq., coroner, on the body of a man named Brown, lately living in Prospect Row.

It appeared that he was in a state of great poverty, and on Friday cut his throat in a frightful manner, dying on the same day.

Verdict, “Temporary insanity.”

While the jury were sitting, a very serious accident occurred opposite the house, to a man named Underdown, who fell from the top of a ladder placed against a house for repair. He sustained several severe injuries to his arm and other parts of his body. He was immediately attended by Mr. Fitzgerald, who was at the inquest.

Dover Chronicle 30-11-1861

A man named Brown, living in a deplorable state of destitution, committed self-destruction on Friday last by cutting his throat. Mr. Fitzgerald was promptly called in, and he closed the wound, but the man survived the infliction of the injury only five hours. The wound was very extensive and deep, severing the trachea. The man had three children, who, with himself, had been without food all the previous day. An inquest was held on Saturday last at the Folkestone Cutter Inn, before S. Eastes Esq., coroner, on the body, when the jury returned a verdict of “Temporary Insanity.” 

Dover Express 30-11-1861

An inquest was held before Silvester Eastes Esq., coroner, on Saturday afternoon, at the Folkestone Cutter, on the body of James Brown, Prospect Row. At the opening of the inquest the coroner explained that the deceased had been under the medical treatment of Mr. Bateman, of which he (the coroner) was unaware when he was sent for on Friday morning, and seeing the nature of the case he sent next for Mr. Fitzgerald, he himself not being able to give evidence in his own court. Mr. Bateman had also been sent for by the neighbours, but the messenger not giving any information as to the urgency or character of the case, he had not come so hurriedly as he otherwise would have done.

The coroner then called Mr. Fitzgerald, who deposed to having been sent for at 8 o`clock on Friday morning, when he found the deceased lying on the bed, in a state of collapse, and perfectly sensible, but with a large gash in his throat extending from ear to ear. He was breathing heavily, with respiration much impeded. He brought the edges of the wound together, and the man was then able to speak a little. Shortly before one o`clock he died. The death was undoubtedly occasioned by the wound inflicted by the deceased himself with the razor produced. There was at first some doubt as to which hand had been used, but the man said in reply to a question that it was the right hand.

Mrs. Tuff, living close by, deposed that the deceased was 47 years of age. She heard one of the children calling for somebody to go to the father, who had cut his throat, and she went into his room and then sent for medical assistance. Deceased showed her his wound when she went in, and said “See what I have done now.” He was very peculiar in his ways, would not associate with the neighbours, and would not let his children associate. He was a sober man.

From the further evidence of this witness, and from statements made by jurymen who were neighbours, it appeared that deceased gathered water-cresses, which his children sold, but that he had been of late very cruel to his children. During the last two or three weeks there had been no water-cresses, and they had been in consequence in want. The neighbours spoke in highly favourable terms of the laborious industry of the children.

The coroner said that very often in disease of the lungs the blood did not get properly purified, and dark blood getting into the brain delirium would ensue. The jury returned a verdict that deceased destroyed himself while apparently in a state of insanity.

Dover Telegraph 30-11-1861 

An inquest was held on Saturday last at the Folkestone Cutter Inn, before S. Eastes Esq., on the body of a man named Brown, lately living in Prospect Row. It appeared that he was in a state of great poverty, and on Friday cut his throat in a frightful manner, dying on the same day.

Verdict, “Temporary Insanity.”

Folkestone Chronicle 30-11-1861

Coroner`s Inquest

An inquest was holden at the Folkestone Cutter, before Silvester Eastes esq., Coroner of the borough, on Saturday, November 23rd, 1861, at two p.m., on view of the body of James Brown, who destroyed himself under the circumstances elicited in the following evidence –

Mr. William Henry Willis was chosen foreman of the jury, after swearing which they proceeded to view the body in a miserably furnished upper room in a cottage in Prospect Cottages.

After returning from viewing the body Charles Egerton Fitzgerald was called, who deposed he was a surgeon residing in Folkestone; at a few minutes past eight on the previous morning he was called by a son of the deceased, who told him his father had cut his throat; he immediately proceeded to the residence of deceased. On arriving at the house he found him lying in bed in a state of collapse – he was sensible – with a large gash in his throat extending from ear to ear; he was breathing heavily with a rattling noise – respiration much impeded; had almost entirely severed the windpipe; witness attended to him; there had been no considerable haemorrhage; there was about three or four ounces of blood. Witness picked up on the bed the razor produced, covered with blood, with which the wound was caused. Witness dressed the wound and deceased was then able to speak; he said he had done it himself with his right hand; the state of his lungs and his late illness precluded all chance of saving his life. Witness left him at a quarter to 10, and found him dead when he returned about half past twelve.

Sarah Ann Tuff deposed she resided near deceased, who she identified as James Brown; he was about 47 years of age; he gathered water cresses for his living, which his daughters sold. Yesterday the younger daughter ran out into the yard, and called out her father had cut his throat. Witness went into the house and found deceased lying on the bed, with his head over the side; witness said there was blood on the floor. Deceased said “See what I have done” as well as he could speak; witness sent for assistance immediately; he died about twenty minutes past twelve; he complained of family troubles, and would not see any of his children before he died. Witness saw him a day or two before his death, when he complained of his side, arising from a severe fall he had had some time since; he did not appear destitute, as his family brought in a good deal of money by the sale of water cresses.

The Coroner said this was all the evidence he had to offer them. The poor man had been for some time suffering from disease of the lungs, and this sometimes had the effect of prostrating the mind; he thought the most charitable verdict would be one of temporary insanity.

The jury then consulted for a few minutes, and the foreman returned as their verdict that the deceased had destroyed himself apparently being in a state of temporary insanity.

Whilst the above inquest was being held, the jury and witnesses were alarmed by a crashing noise in the street, and upon ascertaining the cause, it appeared that a bricklayer, employed in repairing the roof of a house in the street, had fallen, from the ladder being insecurely fastened up. The lower one, being pressed against by one on the roof, toppled over, and Underdown fell to the ground with the ladder he was on. Mr. Fitzgerald was immediately in attendance, and reduced a dislocation of the right thumb which had taken place; on further examination it was found that he had received a severe fracture of the elbow, but no internal injuries. The poor man is now, however, going on very favourably.

Folkestone Observer 30-11-1861

Coroner`s Inquest

An inquest was held before Silvester Eastes, esq., coroner, on Saturday afternoon, at the Folkestone Cutter, on the body of James Brown, Prospect Row. The coroned then called Mr. Fitzgerald, who deposed to having beem sent for at 8 o`clock on Friday morning, when he found the deceased lying on the bed, in a state of collapse, and perfectly sensible, but with a large gash in his throat, extending from ear to ear. He was breathing heavily, with respiration much impeded. He brought the edges of the wound together, and the man was then able to speak a little. Shortly before one o`clock he died. The death was undoubtedly occasioned by the wound inflicted by the deceased himself with the razor produced. There was at first some doubt as to which hand had been used, but the man said in reply to a question that it was the right hand. Mrs. Tuff, living close by, deposed that deceased was 47 years of age. She heard one of the children calling for somebody to go to the father, who had cut his throat, and she went into his room and then sent for medical assistance. Deceased showed her his wound, when she went in, and said “See what I have done now”. He was very peculiar in his ways, would not associate with the neighbours, and would not let his children associate. He was a sober man. From the further evidence of this witness, and from statements made by jurymen who were neighbours, it appeared that deceased gathered water cresses, which his children sold, but that he had been of late very cruel to his children. During the last two or three weeks there had been no water cresses and they had been in consequence in want. The neighbours spoke in highly favourable terms of the laborious industry of the children. The coroner said that very often in disease of the lungs the blood did not get properly purified, and dark blood getting to the brain delirium would ensue. The jury returned a verdict that the deceased destroyed himself while apparently in a state of insanity.

Kentish Express 30-11-1861

An inquest was held before Silvester Eastes Esq., coroner, on Saturday afternoon, at the Folkestone Cutter, on the body of James Brown, Prospect Row. At the opening of the inquest the coroner explained that the deceased had been under the medical treatment of Mr. Bateman, of which he (the coroner) was unaware when he was sent for on Friday morning, and seeing the nature of the case he sent next for Mr. Fitzgerald, he himself not being able to give evidence in his own court. Mr. Bateman had also been sent for by the neighbours, but the messenger not giving any information as to the urgency or character of the case, he had not come so hurriedly as he otherwise would have done.

The coroner then called Mr. Fitzgerald, who deposed to having been sent for at 8 o`clock on Friday morning, when he found the deceased lying on the bed, in a state of collapse, and perfectly sensible, but with a large gash in his throat extending from ear to ear. He was breathing heavily, with respiration much impeded. He brought the edges of the wound together, and the man was then able to speak a little. Shortly before one o`clock he died. The death was undoubtedly occasioned by the wound inflicted by the deceased himself with the razor produced. There was at first some doubt as to which hand had been used, but the man said in reply to a question that it was the right hand.

Mrs. Tuff, living close by, deposed that the deceased was 47 years of age. She heard one of the children calling for somebody to go to the father, who had cut his throat, and she went into his room and then sent for medical assistance. Deceased showed her his wound when she went in, and said “See what I have done now.” He was very peculiar in his ways, would not associate with the neighbours, and would not let his children associate. He was a sober man.

From the further evidence of this witness, and from statements made by jurymen who were neighbours, it appeared that deceased gathered water-cresses, which his children sold, but that he had been of late very cruel to his children. During the last two or three weeks there had been no water-cresses, and they had been in consequence in want. The neighbours spoke in highly favourable terms of the laborious industry of the children.

The coroner said that very often in disease of the lungs the blood did not get properly purified, and dark blood getting into the brain delirium would ensue. The jury returned a verdict that deceased destroyed himself while apparently in a state of insanity.

Kentish Mercury 30-11-1861 

An inquest was held on Saturday last at the Folkestone Cutter inn before S. Eastes Esq., coroner, on the body of a man named Brown, lately living in Prospect Row. It appeared that he was in a state of great poverty, and on Friday cut his throat in a frightful manner, dying on the same day. Verdict “Temporary insanity.”

Thanet Advertiser 30-11-1861

An inquest was held on Saturday last at the Folkestone Cutter Inn, before S. Eastes Esq., on the body of a man named Brown, lately living in Prospect Row. It appeared that he was in a state of great poverty, and on Friday cut his throat in a frightful manner, dying on the same day.

Verdict, “Temporary Insanity.

Folkestone Observer 29-2-1868

Monday, February 24th: Before The Mayor, Captain Kennicott R.N., J. Kelcey, R.W. Boarer and J. Tolputt Esqs.

Mr. W. Finn, landlord of the Cutter public house, Dover Street, was granted a protection order for the sale of beer, spirits, &c. until the 1st of April

Folkestone Observer 4-4-1868

Wednesday, April 1st: Before The Mayor, Captain Leith, and R.W. Boarer Esq.

Transfer of license was granted to Mr. Finn, of the Folkestone Cutter, Dover Street

Folkestone Observer 16-10-1869

Wednesday, October 13th: Before R.W. Boarer, John Gambrill, John Clark, and – Dashwood Esqs.

Mr. Browning applied for authority to sell at the Cutter Inn, Dover Street, as Mr. Finn had refused to sign the transfer. The application was granted.

Folkestone Express 16-10-1869

Wednesday, October 13th: Before J. Gambrill, R.W. Boarer, J. Clark and C. Dashwood Esqs.

Transfer of license.

Mr. Browning made an application to the magistrates under the following circumstances: He had taken the Cutter, Dover Street, and Mr. Finn refused to give up the license until a dispute was settled between him and Mr. Ash, the brewer. The license was granted.

Folkestone Express 18-12-1869

Tuesday, December 14th: Before The Mayor, R.W. Boarer and J. Gambrill Esqs.

Robert Clark applied to the Magistrates to grant him a temporary authority to sell spirits &c. at the Folkestone Cutter, Dover Street, until the license could be transferred to him. The application was granted.

Note: No mention of Clark at the Cutter according to information in More Bastions.


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