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Saturday 22 June 2013

Prince Of Wales 1900s



Folkestone Chronicle 27-1-1900

Friday, January 26th: Before C.J. Hoad and Colonel Westropp.

James Wheeler (sic) obtained confirmation of the licence of the Prince Of Wales beerhouse, Guildhall Street.

Folkestone Herald 27-1-1900

Folkestone Police Court

Yesterday (Friday) a temporary authority was granted to Mr. James Weaver for the Prince Of Wales Inn.

Folkestone Express 10-3-1900

Wednesday, February 7th: Before J. Fitness, C.J. Pursey, W. Wightwick, and J. Pledge Esqs.
 
James Wheeler (sic), Prince Of Wales, Guildhall Street applied for a transfer of licence for the above-mentioned public house. Granted.

Folkestone Herald 10-3-1900

Folkestone Police Court

On Wednesday, the following transfer was granted: Prince Of Wales, Guildhall Street, to Mr. J. Wheeler.

Folkestone Chronicle 27-9-1902

Wednesday, September 24th: Before Alderman Herbert, Lieut. Colonel Hamilton, and Mr. G.I. Swoffer.

Harry Moon, a lance corporal in the Buffs, and wearing the South African medal, was charged with attempting to obtain the sum of £8 14s. 6d. by means of a worthless cheque from Councillor J. Jones.

Councillor J. Jones said: On Monday, the prisoner, accompanied by a woman, came to my shop. He selected various articles of furniture, and said he would call back and pay for them. He did not call any more that day, but came back between two and three yesterday afternoon. He told me that he had a cheque for £15. Would I take it and give him the change which was to come out of the account? I asked him if the cheque was from the Government for his pay. He said “Yes”, and I asked him to go and get the cheque. He went away and came back in about half an hour. He then produced a cheque for £25, dated Sept. 23rd. He selected some more goods, and wanted the difference, £8 14s. 6d., out of the cheque. I said to him “This is not the Government cheque for £15”. He replied “My money is in the National Provincial Bank, and this is my own cheque”. I said “Why did you not get it cashed at the bank this morning?” He said “I found it was too late; the bank closes at three”. I then said “Why not wait until tomorrow when the bank opens?” He answered “Because I want particularly to get away by the five train; my wife is ill, and I want the goods delivered to the station before five”. I said to the accused “I don`t want any nonsense; is this money at the bank or not?” He said “Yes, and much more than that”. I said “I don`t think that I have sufficient change”. My wife said “Oh, yes, you have”, and accused said “If you have not got quite enough – I am in a hurry, and will have some more goods; these pictures will do, and it will make the change £5 or £6”. I said “You sit down, and if your cheque is all right I`ll change it in three minutes”. He replied “The bank is closed; it`s no use going there”. I said “Sit down; while you are chatting, I`ll get the change”. I then made enquiries, and went to the police station and gave particulars to Sergt. Dawson. On my return, prisoner said “Have you got the money?” He was then outside the shop  talking to the woman. I told him to come into the shop, and P.C. Scott came down. I then invited him to come to the police station and explain matters. At first he demurred. I said “Where did you get this cheque from?” He replied “From Bill Weaver, at the Prince of Wales; he gave me the cheque”. I then accompanied prisoner to the station, and at six o`clock last night signed the charge prepared by the Chief Constable.

Mrs. Major, wife of Charles Major, of the East Kent Arms Hotel, said: The prisoner came into the bar yesterday afternoon, and brought a note from my sister. In consequence of the note I gave the prisoner a blank cheque.

Charles John Lee, accountant at the National Provincial Bank, said he did not know the prisoner, and had not seen him before. Accused had not an account at the bank, and to his (witness`s) knowledge never had one.

Prisoner pleaded Guilty. He said that when in South Africa he had had some money transferred to his account at Cape Town. He came from the Sussex Regiment to the Buffs, and now the money could not be traced.

Councillor Jones appealed to the Bench to deal with the accused under the First Offenders Act. The man had only just married, and it would be a pity to blight two young lives. The case had been brought in the public interest. He had not lost any money, and no real harm had been done.

An officer present said the regimental record of the accused was clean. He was transferred to the Buffs in South Africa, and invalided home with enteric fever.

Moon, questioned, said he had two more years service with the colours to do.

Alderman Herbert: Moon, you have shown great ingenuity – misplaced ingenuity – in perpetrating this act. Fortunately for you your regimental sheet is clean, and the prosecutor has pleaded hard for the Bench to deal leniently with you. You will therefore be bound over under the First Offenders Act in the sum of £20 to be of good behaviour for six months.

Prisoner: Thank you, sir.

It should be explained that Mr. Weaver of the Prince of Wales is Mrs. Major`s brother. Prisoner went to the Prince of Wales in the afternoon, and spoke freely about his money at the bank. He said he did not wish to buy a book of cheques when one would do, and upon this, Mr. Weaver being out, Mrs. Weaver obliged prisoner by sending a note to Mr. Major, knowing that he banked at the N.P.B.

Folkestone Express 27-9-1902

Wednesday, September 24th: Before Alderman Herbert, Lieut. Colonel Hamilton, and G.I. Swoffer Esq.

Harry Moon, a lance corporal of the Buffs, was charged with attempting to obtain £8 14s. 6d. from John Jones by means of a worthless cheque.

Prosecutor said between eleven and twelve o` clock on Monday prisoner, accompanied by a woman, went to his shop and selected some furniture. Prisoner said he would come back between two and three p.m. He did not do so, however, and came on Tuesday afternoon. Prisoner stated he had a cheque for £15 and asked witness if he could give him the change. Witness enquired if it was a cheque from the Government, and he replied “Yes”. Witness asked him for the cheque and prisoner said he would go and get it. He returned about half an hour later and selected some more furniture and presented a cheque on the National Provincial Bank for £25 and wanted the difference, £8 14s. 6d. Witness said it was not the Government cheque for £15. Prisoner replied “No; my money is in the National Provincial Bank, and this is my cheque”. Witness said “Why did you not cash this at the bank?” Prisoner replied “I forgot it until it was too late. The Bank closes at three o`clock”. Witness proposed that he should wait until next day and then cash it, but prisoner wanted particularly to get away by the five o`clock train, as he said his wife was ill. He wanted the goods delivered at the station before five o`clock. Witness told prisoner he did not want any nonsense, and asked whether the money was at the bank or not. Prisoner replied “Yes, and a lot more than that”. Witness said he did not think he had the change, so prisoner selected more goods, which left him change of £5. Witness told prisoner to sit down, and if his cheque was all right he would change it in three minutes. Prisoner said “The Bank is closed; it is no good going there”. Witness went to the bank, and on making enquiries and finding prisoner had no account, he went to the police station and gave information. When witness returned, prisoner said “Have you got the money?” He was then standing on the pavement. Witness told him to come inside as he did not do business on the pavement.

Constable Scott then came inside and asked prisoner to go to the police station and explain the matter. When asked where he got the cheque, prisoner said “From Bill Weaver at the Prince of Wales”.

Mrs. Alice Major, of the East Kent Arms, said prisoner went to their house on Tuesday afternoon and took a note letter, and she then put a blank cheque in and handed it to prisoner.

It was a cheque obtained in this way that prisoner used.

Charles John Mason, accountant at the National Provincial Bank, said prisoner had no account then at the Bank, and so far as witness knew he never had.

Prisoner pleaded Guilty and said he had some money transferred from Cape Town, but could not trave it at all.

Mr. Jones asked the Bench to deal as leniently as possible with prisoner.

An officer gave prisoner a very good character so far as he knew, but the prisoner`s company sheet was in South Africa, and the officer commanding the regiment was away. Prisoner was at present on sick furlough, having caught enteric fever while at the front.

The Bench bound the prisoner over in the sum of £20 to be of good behaviour for six months.

Folkestone Herald 27-9-1902

Wednesday, September 24th: Before Mr. Herbert, Mr. Swoffer, and Councillor Lieut. Colonel Hamilton.

Harry Moon, a soldier in the Buffs, was charged with endeavouring to obtain £8 14s. 6d. from Councillor Jones by means of a worthless cheque.

Councillor Jones said prisoner went to his shop on Grace Hill with a woman and selected some articles of furniture. He then said he would call the next day. Witness saw him when he called, and prisoner told him that he had got a cheque for £15, asking him to take it and give him the change. Witness asked him whether it was the cheque from the Government for prisoner`s pay, and he said “Yes”. Witness then asked him for the cheque, and he said he would go and get it, and went away. Witness said he would be there when prisoner returned. Prisoner came back in about half an hour, and produced a cheque for £25. He wanted £8 14s. 6d. change out of the cheque. Witness said to him “This is not the Govenment cheque for £15”. Prisoner answered “No. My money is in the National Provincial Bank, and this is my cheque”. Witness said “Why did you not get the cash this morning from the bank?” Prisoner replied “I forgot it until it was too late. The bank closes at 3 o`clock”. Witness then said “Why not wait until tomorrow when the bank opens?” He said “I want particularly to get away by the 5 o`clock train. My wife is ill, and I want the goods delivered to the station before five”. Witness said “I don`t want any nonsense. Is this money at the bank or not?” Prisoner answered “Yes, more than that – much more than that”. Witness said “I don`t think I have got nearly £9 in change”. Prisoner then said “If you have not got it, I am in such a hurry that I will have some more goods so that I can have £5 or £6 in change. I will have those pictures”. Witness said “If your cheque is right, I will change it in three minutes”. Prisoner replied “The Bank is closed; it is no use going there”. Witness then told him to sit down, and while he was chattering he would go and get the change. Witness then went to the Bank, and on the way back, to the police station, and thence to his shop again. Prisoner said “Have you got the money?” Witness replied “come in my shop. I don`t do business out here”. P.C. Scott came down, and witness said “Will you come to the police station and explain this matter?” Prisoner the said he had got the cheque from Bill Weaver at the Prince Of Wales. Witness accompanied him to the police station.

Charles John Wilson, accountant at the National Provincial Bank, said he had never seen the prisoner before. He had no account at the Bank, and had not to witness`s knowledge had one.

Councillor Jones made an appeal for the prisoner, remarking that it was a hard case and he did not wish the man and his young wife to be blighted thus early in life. No-one had been harmed – he had not been defrauded, but he thought it right to bring the case before the Bench in the interests of the public. He would appeal for mercy and consideration.

An officer from the Camp said prisoner had a clean sheet, and was now on sick furlough.

Prisoner was dealt with under the First Offenders Act, and bound over in £20 to be of good behaviour.

Prisoner, who was deeply moved, said “Thank you very, very much, sir”.

Folkestone Express 11-7-1903

Wednesday, July 8th: Before Lieut. Col. Fynmore, W. Wightwick, W.G. Herbert, and J. Stainer Esqs., and Alderman Vaughan.

Mr. Minter made an application for an alteration of the premises on behalf of the landlord of the Prince Of Wales Inn, and explained to the Magistrates that through a mistake the plans were deposited one day late, but said that the Magistrates had power to waive the objection.

The Magistrates, however, adjourned the consideration.

Folkestone Herald 5-9-1903

Wednesday, September 2nd: Before Messrs. W. Wightwick, E.T. Ward, and J. Stainer.

Permission to alter the Prince Of Wales public house, Guildhall Street, was granted by the Bench.

Folkestone Express 13-2-1904

Annual Licensing Meeting

Wednesday, February 10th: Before W. Wightwick Esq., Lieut. Col. Hamilton, Lieut. Col. Fynmore, Lieut. Colonel Westropp, and W.G. Herbert, E.T. Ward, and C.J. Pursey Esqs.

The following was the report of Supt. Reeve: Chief Constable`s Office, Folkestone, 10th February, 1904. To the Chairman and Members of the Licensing Committee of the Borough of Folkestone. Gentlemen, I have the honour to report for your information that there are at present within your jurisdiction 139 premises licensed for the sale of intoxicating liquors, namely: Full licences 87; Beer on 11; Beer off 6; Beer and Spirits (dealers) 16; Grocers 12; Confectioners 3; Chemists 4; Total 139 – an average of one licence to every 220 persons, or one “on” licence to every 313. This is a decrease of one full licence as compared with last year`s return, the licence of the Marquis Of Lorne having been refused at the adjourned meeting in March. Twenty of the licences have been transferred during the year, namely, 14 full licences, two beer on, two beer off, and two grocers. One beer off licence was transferred twice during the year. One licence holder has been convicted since the last annual meeting of committing drunkenness on his licensed premises. He has since transferred his licence and left the house. The alterations which the Justices at the adjourned meeting last year directed to be made to the Packet Boat, Castle, Tramway, Bricklayers` Arms, Granville, and Star Inns have all been carried out in a satisfactory manner, and none of the licensed houses are now used as common lodging houses. Ten occasional licences, and extensions of hours on 21 occasions, have been granted to licence holders during the year. There are 14 places licensed for music and dancing, and two for public billiard playing. Eleven clubs where intoxicating liquors are sold are registered in accordance with the Licensing Act of 1902. For the year ending 31st December last year, 154 persons (131 males and 23 females) were proceeded against for drunkenness. 131 were convicted and 23 discharged. This is an increase of 65 persons proceeded against, and 51 convicted, as compared with 1902. The increase is chiefly due to the additional powers given to the police under the Licensing Act, 1902. Up to the present time no person within the Borough has been convicted the necessary number of times within the 12 months to be placed on the “black list” as provided by Section 6 of the Act of 1902. With very few exceptions the whole of the licensed houses have been conducted in a satisfactory manner. The only objection I have to make to the renewal of any of the present licences is that of the Swan Inn, Dover Road, and I would ask that the renewal of this licence be deferred until the adjourned meeting. I have the honour to be, gentlemen, your obedient servant, H. Reeve (Chief Constable).

The Chairman: I think, gentlemen, you will agree that the report of the Superintendent is a satisfactory one – in fact, I may say very satisfactory – for the whole year. With your permission I well read the report we now make to you. At the adjournment of the last general licensing meeting we stated that in our opinion the number of licences for the sale of intoxicating liquor then existing in the borough of Folkestone, especially in the part of the immediate neighbourhood of the Harbour, was out of all proportion to the population, and that we proposed between then and the general annual licensing meeting of this year to obtain information on various matters, to enable us to determine what reduction would be made in the number of licences. We invited the owners of licensed houses in the meantime to meet and agree among themselves for the voluntary surrender at this general meeting of a substantial number of licences in the borough, and to submit the result of their united action to the Licensing Justices for acceptance. Failing any satisfactory proposal for reduction by the owners, the Licensing Justices last year intimated that in the exercise of their discretionary powers they would at this year`s meeting decide in a fair and equitable spirit what reduction should be made. But at the opening of Parliament last week it was announced in the King`s speech that the Government intended to introduce in the House of Commons during the present session a Bill to amend the Licensing Laws. In view of this legislation we are of opinion we ought not, pending the passage of this Bill through Parliament, exercise the discretionary powers vested in us, and take measures for effecting a further reduction in the number of licences within the borough on the ground that certain licensed premises are not required for the public accommodation. We have recently inspected certain houses known as the Imperial Brewery Tap, the Hope, East Cliff Tavern, Victoria, Lifeboat, Duke Of Edinburgh, Railway Tavern, and Channel Inn.

Prince Of Wales

Mr. Minter supported an application for a full licence for this house, an old beer house. No evidence was given.

The Chairman remarked that it was not an opportune time to apply for new licences. It would be better to await the passing of the new Act.

This concluded the business.

Folkestone Herald 13-2-1904

Tuesday, February 9th: Before Mr. W. Wightwick, Alderman W.G. Herbert, Lieut. Colonels Hamilton, Fynmore, and Westropp, Messrs. J. Ward and C.J. Pursey.

Annual Licensing Sessions

The Chief Constable first presented his annual report (for which, see Folkestone Express 13-2-04).

The Chairman then addressed his colleagues (for which, see Folkestone Express 13-2-04).

Mr. Minter, on behalf of the owners, offered to surrender the beer licence of the Prince Of Wales, Guildhall Street, which had been granted under the old Act of 1869, if the Bench would grant a new full licence under the Act of 1902, but the Justices, in view of the present state of affairs, declined the offer.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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