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Saturday, 22 June 2013

Harvey Hotel 1900 - 1904



Folkestone Express 15-12-1900

Saturday, December 8th: Before J. Stainer Esq., and Lieut. Col. Westropp.

Mr. Cross, landlord of the Harvey Hotel, applied for an extension of time on Wednesday, on the occasion of the annual dinner of the Prussian Hermits. It was granted.

Folkestone Herald 15-12-1900

Saturday, December 8th: Before Mr. J. Stainer and Lieut. Colonel Westropp.

Mr. Cross, the landlord of the Harvey Hotel, applied for and was granted an hour`s extension on the evening of Wednesday, the 12th inst., on the occasion of a dinner.

Folkestone Chronicle 9-3-1901

We Hear

That on Wednesday afternoon, Mr. Sidney Cross, the landlord of the Harvey Hotel, met with a very serious accident. He was riding near the Pleasure Gardens Theatre when the horse became restive, plunged on to a wood crossing, slipped, reared, and fell upon its rider, who was picked up unconscious and taken into the theatre, where Dr. Murray attended to the injuries. In the meantime, the police with an ambulance were summoned, and the injured man was removed to the Victoria Hospital without delay. Upon an examination, the house surgeon pronounced the case as one of concussion of the brain.

On the Thursday morning, Mr. Cross was removed to his home, being considered out of danger, but still in a very weak state. On going to pres we are informed that the patient is progressing favourably, although at times he relapses into unconsciousness.

Folkestone Express 7-12-1901

Saturday, November 30th: Before Alderman S. Penfold, Alderman G. Spurgen, Alderman T.J. Vaughan, Col. W.K. Westropp, and W.C. Carpenter, J. Stainer, and G. Peden Esqs.

Mr. Sidney Cross, of the Harvey Hotel, applied for an extension of time till 12 o`clock on the occasion of the annual dinner of the Post Office employees on Wednesday.

Folkestone Express 22-3-1902

Tuesday, March 18th: Before E.T. Ward and G. Peden Esqs., Aldermen Geo. Spurgen and T.J. Vaughan, and Colonel W.K. Westropp.

Alfred Weller pleaded Guilty to being drunk and disorderly on the previous evening in Harvey Street.

P.C. Thomas D. Sales said he was in plain clothes on Monday evening about 8.20 o`clock, when he heard an altercation in the private bar of the Harvey Hotel. The prisoner was very abusive to the landlord, and witness had to assist Mr. Cross to eject him, and he continued his bad language towards witness.

Mr. Bradley: Did he cause a crowd to assemble? – There was a crowd of about a couple of dozen.

The Bench inflicted a fine of 2s. 6d. and 4s. 6d. costs, or seven days` imprisonment.
 
Folkestone Chronicle 20-12-1902

Wednesday, December 17th: Before Alderman J. Banks, Messrs. Wightwick, Swoffer, and Herbert, and Lieut. Col. Hamilton.

The following transfer of wine, beer, and spirit licences was granted: the Harvey Hotel to Mr. W. Keates.

Folkestone Express 20-12-1902

Wednesday, December 17th: Before Alderman Banks, Lieut. Colonel Hamilton, W. Wightwick, W.G. Herbert, and G.I. Swoffer Esqs.

A transfer of licence was granted to Mr. Keats, who formerly kept a licensed house at Great Yarmouth, in respect to the Harvey Hotel.

Folkestone Herald 20-12-1902

Wednesday, December 17th: Before Alderman Banks, Lieut. Colonel Hamilton, and Messrs. Herbert, Wightwick, and Swoffer.

This was a special sessions for the transfer of licences.

Mr. William Keates applied for the transfer of the licence of the Harvey Hotel. He had been granted a temporary licence at a previous Court. The application was granted.

Folkestone Chronicle 21-3-1903

We Hear

That Mr. T. Keates, of the Harvey Hotel, applied for an occasional licence to serve intoxicating liquors on the football ground during the Semi Final in the Kent Cup. The application was based on the ground that there would be between 2,000 and 3,000 spectators present, and that the Kent Executive had ordered that there should be no re-admission to the ground at half-time.

Chief Constable Reeve said that this was the first application of the sort, and he must oppose it, as it was not unreasonable for a man to go without drink for two hours at the most.

Mr. Stainer, one of the Magistrates, said he also opposed it, and was met with the curt reply from the Chairman (Mr. Wightwick) “Oh! You always oppose anything”. Upon this, the teetotal Magistrate subsided.

It subsequently transpired that the Magistrates by a majority would have granted the licence, but that as it was opposed by the Chief Constable, the Bench, to support his authority, refused it.

Folkestone Herald 21-3-1903

Friday 20th March: Before Messrs. W. Wightwick, G.I. Swoffer, J. Stainer, J. Pledge, W.C. Carpenter, and Lieut. Colonels Hamilton and Westropp.

Mr. Keates, landlord of the Harvey Hotel, applied for a licence to sell liquors on the football ground from two till six o`clock during the afternoon of Saturday (today), on the occasion of the Semi Final tie of the Cup competition.

The Chief Constable said that seeing that the football match would not last for more than two hours, he did not think a licence was necessary, and he strongly objected to it.

Mr. Stainer: I strongly object to it, too.

Mr. Wightwick: Oh! You object to everything.

Colonel Westropp remarked that he would be inclined to grant it were it not for the Chief Constable`s objection.

The Chief Constable: People will be coming from Ashford, and there will be plenty of facilities for their getting drink in the town.

Mr. Stainer: If you grant it now, you will have to grant it every Saturday.

The Bench refused the application.
 

Folkestone Chronicle 18-4-1903

Monday, April 13th: Before The Mayor, Lieut. Colonel Westropp, and Messrs. S. Penfold, E.T. Ward, G. Peden, J. Stainer, G. Spurgen, T.J. Vaughan, and W.C. Carpenter.

Walter John Prior, who had been in custody since Saturday afternoon, was charged with being drunk and disorderly, and further with assaulting P.C. Watson.

P.C. Watson said about 3.05 on Saturday afternoon he went to the Harvey Hotel, where he found the prisoner, who was drunk. The landlord had refused to serve him and requested him to leave the premises. Prisoner would not go away, and at the landlord`s request witness ejected him. About 3.20 witness again saw accused at the Brewery Tap. The landlord told the man he would not get any beer there, and at the landlord`s request witness ejected him from that house. Accused then became violent and bit witness on the finger of his left hand. The man continued to be violent, and with the assistance of P.C.s Rue and Kettle he was placed on a truck and conveyed to the police station.

Prisoner said that he had served in South Africa for 16 months with the Yeomanry and met some old friends and had a drink. A very little had upset him. He had had only two pints. He did not remember the assault. He must have been mad.

The Bench told prisoner that this ought to be a warning to him. The Bench were going to be very lenient; he would be fined 2s. 6d. and 4s. 6d. costs in each case, or in default seven days`.

Charles MacCarthy was charged with being drunk and incapable in Beach Street at 4.15 on Saturday afternoon.

P.C. Watson said prisoner was refused drink at the Wellington public house, and when he came outside he fell down incapable.

MacCarthy said he was very sorry, and the Bench dismissed him.

Folkestone Chronicle 2-5-1903

Wednesday, April 29th: Before Mr. W. Wightwick, Lieut. Col. Hamilton, and Messrs. W.G. Herbert and G.I. Swoffer.

Harry Crow was charged with stealing a zither harp, tuning key, and music book, the property of Edwin Reynolds.

Prosecutor gave his name as Henry Reynolds, a musical instrument maker, of Blackburn, residing temporarily at No. 26, Darby Road. The prisoner, who was a porter at the Harvey Hotel, was engaged by him on the previous day to go to the Junction and fetch 25 zither harps. Prisoner placed the instruments on a barrow. Witness made a call at the Swan Hotel, sold one of the harps, and then instructed prisoner to take the remainder to 26. Darby Road. Witness returned to that address at 6 p.m., and found that one of the instruments and its case was missing, He made enquiries at the Harvey Hotel, and at prisoner`s lodgings, and subsequently gave information to the police. At 10.30 he went to the police station, and was there shown the instrument (produced), which he identified. He did not give prisoner the instrument.

Detective Sergeant Burniston said that at 10.05 p.m. on Tuesday he visited 21, St. Michael`s Square, where he found the prisoner in bed asleep. Witness roused him, and said “Mr. Reynolds, who employed you today, has missed a zither harp”. Witness noted a cardboard box under the bed. This he opened, and found it to contain the instrument, a tuning key, and music book (produced). Upon being charged, prisoner replied “Mr. Reynolds gave me 4s. 6d., and he gave me the instrument”.

Prisoner`s first explanation was that “the gentleman gave him the instrument as he had no money”, but on being charged he pleaded Not Guilty, and said that “the gentleman told him he could have one of the instruments and pay for it next day”.
 
 Chief Constable Reeve said there was no previous conviction against the accused, but he (the speaker) had previously received a complaint from a gentleman who sent prisoner out to get change for a sovereign. Prisoner forgot to return.

The Chairman said prosecutor having paid the accused 4s. 6d., it was not likely that he would have given him the harp, which the Bench believed the accused stole. He would be sentenced to one month`s hard labour.


Folkestone Herald 2-5-1903

Wednesday, April 29th: Before Messrs. W. Wightwick, G.I. Swoffer, W.G. Herbert, and Lieut. Colonel Hamilton.

Harry Crow, an hotel porter, was charged with stealing a zither harp, two thumb rings, a tuning key, a harp tutor, and a strap, value 25s., the property of Arthur Reynolds, 12, Calder Street,, Blackburn, Lancs.

Prosecutor, a musical instrument dealer, who was temporarily residing at 26, Darby Road, said that about half past three the previous afternoon, he had occasion to hire the services of prisoner as porter in carrying 25 zither harps on a barrow from the Junction Hotel. A call was made at the Swan Inn, and prisoner was then instructed to take the instruments to 26, Darby Road. For this he was paid 4s. 6d. When witness returned to that address about six o`clock, he counted the harps, and found that one was missing. He gave information to the police.

Detective Burniston stated that on the previous night he went to 21, St. Michael`s Square, where he found the prisoner in bed asleep. Witness roused him and questioned him as to the disappearance of the harp. While doing so, he saw a cardboard box (produced) under the bed, and on examining its contents, found the zither. Prisoner said that it had been given to him by Mr. Reynolds. At the station the remaining articles were found on the prisoner.

In defence, prisoner said “I had been working for the gentleman, and asked him if I could have one. He said “Yes, you can have one and pay me tomorrow”. That was in the Swan public house”.

The Chief Constable remarked that there were no previous convictions against prisoner, but a complaint had been received on one occasion of the prisoner forgetting to bring back the change of a sovereign which he had been sent to get.

The Bench sent the prisoner to Canterbury Gaol for one month, with hard labour.

Folkestone Chronicle 18-7-1903

Monday, July 13th: Before Alderman G. Spurgen, Lieut. Col. Westropp, Alderman T.J. Vaughan, Mr. W.C. Carpenter, and Mr. G. Peden.

Wm. Henry Miles, a tall, burly, red-headed navvy, who appeared in the dock in his shirt sleeves, was charged with being drunk and disorderly on Saturday night, and further with assaulting P.C. Sharpe and P.C. A. Ashby.

Miles pleaded Not Guilty, and said “What I done, I done in self-defence”.

P.C. Sharpe said: At 10.15 p.m. on Saturday I was on duty in plain clothes with P.C. H. Johnson. I heard someone blow a whistle, and proceeded to Dover Road, where I found prisoner and another man fighting outside the Harvey Hotel. The men were parted, and I informed the prisoner I was a police constable in plain clothes. He said “Oh, you`re a ---- detective” and struck me violently in the mouth, causing blood to flow. Accused then kicked me in the head.

Mr. Bradley: How did he kick you in the head?

Witness:  We were on the ground struggling. Prisoner kicked me several times. P.C. Ashby then came to my assistance, and helped me handcuff the prisoner, who kicked and struggled violently all the way to the station. We had to take his boots off.

Mr. Bradley (to prisoner): Have you any questions to ask the witness?

Prisoner: The other man came up and knocked me down. I did not know the man.

Mr. Bradley: That is not a question. You can make a statement afterwards.

P.C. J.A. Ashby said: At 10.15 on Saturday night I was on duty in Dover Road. I heard a whistle blow, and upon running in the direction of the sound I found the last witness struggling with the prisoner on the ground. Prisoner was drunk. I assisted to handcuff him, and on the way to the station, when opposite the Co-Operative Stores, prisoner said “Now I`ll give you a ---- tying up”. He put his legs round mine, and we all three went to the ground. Whilst on the ground prisoner got my thumb in his mouth and severely bit it.

Mr. Bradley: Are there any marks now?

Witness: Yes, sir. (Continuing): Prisoner kicked out in all directions, and we had to cut his laces and take his boots off. While doing this, he caught me under the chin with his foot and sent me spinning, causing blood to flow from my mouth. When we got him a little further on, he said “I`ll walk now”. We allowed him to do so, and he at once became still worse. We then had to tie his legs and carry him to the police station.

The prisoner: When we were all three on the ground, did not a gentleman say “You cruel things; let him get up. You cowardly things, kicking him on the ground”?

Witness: I did not hear that. I was kicked on the ground.

Prisoner: How could I kick you when there were two or three on top of me?

Mr. Bradley (to witness): Did you kick him in the stomach?

Witness (emphatically): No, sir.

Police Sergt. Osbourne said prisoner was brought to the station by two constables and an Artilleryman. Prisoner was drunk. Blood was coming from the mouth of Sharpe and from Ashby`s thumb.

Prisoner hoped the Bench would be lenient as he had a wife and four children. If he had assaulted the police it was because he had been treated cruelly. They pinched his muscles, and his ribs were black and blue. The first witness also kicked him in the face.

Prisoner, continuing, said he “chucked” the constables over because of their rough treatment of him.

The Chairman said there was no doubt that prisoner had behaved disgracefully, and that he had assaulted the police most violently. The Bench were quite sure that the police did not attempt to handcuff people unless they resisted. People were not handcuffed for the fun of the thing. For being drunk prisoner would be fined 5s. and 4s. 6d. costs, or seven days`, and for the assaults on the police he would be fined 20s. and 4s. 6d. costs, or 14 days`, in each case, the sentences to run consecutively.

Prisoner, having no money, went to Canterbury Gaol for the 35 days.

The Chief Constable said it might interest the Bench to know that prisoner had been convicted 27 times previously, six of them being for assaults upon the police.

The Chairman said the information would have been useful a few minutes earlier.

The explanation as to why the Chief Constable did not put in the convictions prior to the committal is that he could not legally do so, there being no official present to confirm and prove such convictions.

Folkestone Herald 18-7-1903

Monday, July 12th: Before Aldermen G. Spurgen and T.J. Vaughan, Councillor Peden, Lieut. Colonel Westropp, and Mr. W.C. Carpenter.

William Henry Miles was charged with being drunk and disorderly in Dover Road on Saturday night, and also with assaulting P.C.s Raynor Sharpe and James Ashby in the execution of their duty.

P.C. Sharpe stated that about 10.50 p.m. he was in Harbour Street, in company with P.C. Johnson, in plain clothes. On hearing a whistle blow they went into Dover Road, where he saw the prisoner and another man fighting opposite the Harvey Hotel. They parted the men, and witness told the prisoner he was a police constable. Accused said something and struck him a violent blow in the mouth with his fist, causing blood to flow. He then took prisoner into custody, whereupon he became very violent, and kicked witness on the head several times. P.C. Ashby then came to his assistance, and it became necessary to handcuff accused. Prisoner continued kicking and striking out on the way to the station, and they had to take his boots off. They got him to the police station and charged him with being drunk and disorderly and assaulting them.

P.C. Ashby said he saw the last witness struggling with prisoner, who was drunk, on the ground. He assisted to handcuff him, and when opposite the Co-Operative bakery Miles used obscene language, and putting his leg round that of witness, caused all three to fall to the ground. While on the ground prisoner severely but witness`s thumb, at the same time kicking out in all directions. They cut his bootlaces and took off his boots. As this was being done he caught witness under the chin with his foot and sent him spinning, causing blood to flow from the mouth. They eventually had to tie his legs and carry him to the police station.

P.S. Osborne deposed on being on duty at the police station when prisoner was brought in by the last witness and a soldier in the Artillery. Blood was coming from Sharpe`s mouth, and Ashby`s thumb was bleeding.

In defence, prisoner said he was walking home, and said “Goodnight” to a man who was passing, when the man turned round and knocked him down. On rising he found a constable trying to handcuff him.

In fining prisoner 5s. and 4s. 6d. costs, in default seven days` imprisonment for being drunk, and 20s. and 4s. 6d. costs, in default 14 days` hard labour in each case for assaulting the two constables, the Bench said there was no doubt that he did assault the police and was violent. Policemen did not handcuff men “just for the fun of the thing”.

Folkestone Express 28-5-1904

Monday, May 23rd: Before Alderman J. Banks, W.G. Herbert and G.I. Swoffer Esqs.

Frederick William Collins, one of the crew of H.M.S. Pembroke, was charged with being drunk and disorderly on Saturday afternoon.

P.C. Smith stated that at 2.30 on Saturday he went to stop a fight at the Harvey Hotel. On arriving there he went into the saloon bar, where he saw the prisoner, another bluejacket, and a petty officer. The prisoner had blood on his hand, face, and cap. The landlord pointed o the prisoner as the cause of the disorder, and asked witness to eject him. Witness ejected him into Harvey Street, and he then tried to re-enter the hotel. Prisoner was drunk and refused to go away, and caused a crowd of about 150 people to assemble. He used very bad language, and with assistance was taken into custody.

Prisoner said he only had had five glasses of stout, and was not drunk. He got excited and “went mad”.

A fine of 5s. and 5s. 6d. costs was imposed.

Folkestone Chronicle 4-6-1904

Wednesday, June 1st: Before Mr. W. Wightwick, Lieut. Col. Westropp, Lieut. Col. Fynmore, Messrs. W.G. Herbert and G.I. Pursey.

Thomas Henry William Keates, landlord of the Harvey Hotel, was summoned for permitting drunkenness upon his licensed premises on the 21st of May. Mr. Keates, who was not at the Harvey Hotel on the day in question, pleaded Not Guilty. Mr. J. Minter conducted the defence.

P.C.s Smith and G. Johnston gave evidence as to a disturbance at the Harvey on the 21st of May, to visiting the saloon bar and finding a glass and a chair broken, the furniture disarranged, evidence of a struggle, and spots of blood on the floor. There had been a fracas with two blue jackets and a petty officer. One of the blue jackets, named Collins, refused to go away, and was ejected from the premises, and subsequently arrested and charged at the Court with drunkenness on the next morning, when he was convicted. Mrs. Keates, the constable said, told him that Collins came to the house about 11.15 and had only four or five glasses.

Sergt. Dawson swore that Collins was drunk and excited when brought to the police station.

Charles Henry Erry and Herbert Jones gave it as their opinion that Collins was drunk.

Inspector Swift said that from something he was told he visited the saloon of the Harvey Hotel shortly before three o`clock on the 21st of May. He found the furniture disarranged and spots of blood on the floor. Miss Keates was present, and witness said “What time did these men come in?”

Mr. Minter: I submit that this evidence is eminently unfair.

The Chairman: It is admissible.

Mr. Bradley (Magistrates` Clerk): You cannot exclude it.

Witness, continuing: Miss Keates replied “About 12 o`clock, I think. I did not see them come in; they were in here when I came in about 12.30”. Witness then saw Mrs. Keates, and said “Are you aware that one of the men who was here is locked up on a charge of being drunk?” She replied “He was not drunk; they only had four half-tankards of stout the whole of the time, and they had been here since 11 o`clock”. Miss Keates interrupted with “Not eleven, Mother”. Mrs. Keates then said “Well, it may have been half past then”. Upon being told that she might be charged with permitting, etc., Mrs. Keates replied “They were as sober as I am”.

Mr. Frederick reason saw Mrs. Keates eject a painter from the Harvey on the day in question. The lady subsequently ejected a blue jacket and sent for the police – in the meantime a brutal assault was committed, two blue jackets jumping upon a petty officer. The blue jacket was drunk and excited.

Mr. Minter termed the case as having been nicely dressed up. Defendant, who was not present, was responsible for the actions of his servants, who, however, said the men were not drunk, but excited. He (Mr. Minter) would also point out the serious consequence of a conviction to defendant, who had held the licensed premises for 18 years without a single complaint.

Henry Crow, potman at the Harvey, said the men came to the house on the 21st about twelve o`clock; they were under his observation the whole time. From 16 years` experience he would say they were decidedly not drunk. They were decidedly sober, and were only served with two glasses of stout each. They were served with a third, but did not consume it, as the scuffle commenced. A petty officer passed through the saloon bar and the blue jackets started fighting him. Witness got hold of Collins and got him outside the door, but the man slipped back. Witness then went for the police.

Alice Katherine Keates, daughter of defendant, corroborated. She swore to being in the bar all the time the men were present, and flatly denied that part of the conversation given by Inspector Swift as to the conversation with her mother.

Mrs. Keates was not called.

The Bench retired, and upon returning into Court, the Chairman said the majority of the Bench considered there was a doubt in the case and defendant would be dismissed.
 
Folkestone Express 4-6-1904

Wednesday, June 1st: Before W. Wightwick Esq., Lieut Colonel Westropp, Lieut. Colonel Fynmore, C.J. Pursey and W.G. Herbert Esqs.

Thomas Henry William Keates,the landlord of the Harvey Hotel, was summoned for permitting drunkenness on his licensed premises on May 21st. Mr. John Minter appeared on behalf of the defendant.

P.C. Smith said about 2.20 p.m. on May 21st he was called to the Harvey Hotel to stop a fight. On arriving there he went into the saloon bar, where he saw two blue-jackets and a petty officer. The petty officer`s head was much battered, and his face was covered with blood. The officer left by a door leading to the interior of the bar. There had evidently been a severe struggle, as the marble top of a table lay on the floor broken. Some panes of glass were also broken, and other things were scattered about. The two blue-jackets were drunk, and they had blood on their hands, faces, caps, and clothes. He asked the landlady if she wished to prefer any charge against them, and she replied she only wanted them to go outside. He then ejected them, and they became disorderly. One of them, Collins, had to be taken to the police station by witness and P.C. Johnson. Witness later went to the hotel and saw Mrs. Keates. She said the blue-jackets were the cause of the trouble, and the attack was made upon the petty officer as he was going from the saloon bar to the rear of the premises. She said the sailors had been there since about 11.30 a.m., but they were not drunk. Since they had been in the hotel they had only had four half tankards of stout each.

Cross-examined, he said the potman called him to the house. He did not know the potman had put the sailor out before witness went. After witness had put them out the sailor (Collins) went into the house again. They persuaded both the sailors to go away, and one did so, going up the Dover Road.

P.C. Johnson corroborated, and further stated that in the saloon bar a glass window was broken, as well as a vase, and a chair and the furniture had been upset.

P.S. Dawson said when Collins was brought to the police station he was decidedly drunk.

Charles Henry Errey, 85, Dover Road, said he saw P.C. Smith turn the two blue-jackets out of the hotel. Collins, who was drunk, was also very disorderly, and he was taken into custody.

Cross-examined, he said both blue-jackets were decidedly “fresh”, but they might have been more drunk.

Herbert Jones, 97a, Dover Road, also said both blue-jackets were drunk.

Cross-examined, he said the man who was locked up had difficulty walking.

Inspector Swift said he went to the Harvey Hotel at three o`clock on May 21st. The saloon bar was in a disorderly state, He saw Miss Keates, and asked her what time the men went into the house.

Mr. Minter objected to the evidence being given, because it was not fair for the Inspector to go fishing for evidence. No caution was given to Miss Keates by the officer, and in his opinion it was not fair for the officer to repeat what she said.

Witness said Miss Keates told him that the men came in about twelve o`clock. He then saw Mrs. Keates, and told her that Collins had been locked up and charged with being drunk, and she replied “He was not drunk”. She said the men had only had four half tankards of stout since they went in about eleven o`clock. Miss Keates then said “Not eleven o`clock”, and her mother then stated it would be about half past when the men went in. She also said that the men were as sober as she was.

Frederick Reason also gave evidence. He said that Collins was excited by drink, but was not very drunk.

Cross-examined, he said Collins used beastly language outside the hotel.

Mr. Minter, on behalf of the defendant, said that when a person was charged with permitting drunkenness on licensed premises, it was for him, under the Act, to prove that he took all reasonable steps to prevent drunkenness. He was going to call eveidence that he did everything to prevent drunkenness. Even if the men were drunk, and were served with drink, it would not make the landlord liable to the charge which was now preferred against him. He would, however, be liable to a charge of selling drink to a drunken person. The daughter would be the person who gave evidence. Mr. Keates was away at the time, but of course e was responsible for the action of his servants. Defendant had been a licence holder for 18 years. He came to Folkestone with the highest character, and had never had a complaint made against him. It was a serious matter for him if he were convicted, for he would have to leave the house.

Frederick Crow said he was a potman at the Harvey Hotel. He was cleaning the windows in the public bar when three blue-jackets came in somewhere about twelve o`clock. They were sober, and called for three half tankards of stout. Shortly after they called for another three half tankards, and presently for another three, but they never drank the contents of the third, because the petty officer came into the roo and the fight began. He went for a policeman, and saw P.C. Smith, who told him to go for another. He saw P.C. Johnson, and they went back together. Collins was excited, but not drunk.

Miss Alice Kathleen Keates said she was the defendant`s daughter. She was serving in the bar when the blue-jackets came in. She served them three times with a half tankard of stout each. When they went into the house they were quite sober.

Cross-examined, she said she was in the bar the whole time the blue-jackets were there. Her mother did not supply them with any drink. The blue-jackets were perfectly sober.

The Magistrates retired for a short time, and on their return into Court the Chairman said the majority of the Bench thought defendant ought to have the benefit of the doubt because the case was not fully made out. The case would therefore be dismissed.

Folkestone Herald 4-6-1904

Wednesday, June 1st: Before Mr. W. Wightwick, Alderman W.G. Herbert, Mr. C.J. Pursey, Lieut. Colonel Fynmore, and Lieut. Colonel Westropp.

Thomas Henry William Keates, landlord of the Harvey Hotel, Dover Road, was summoned for permitting drunkenness on his licensed premises.

P.C. Smith stated that at 2.20 p.m. on the 21st ult. he was called to the Harvey Hotel to stop a fight. Arriving there he saw, in the saloon bar, two bluejackets and a petty officer. The latter`s head was much battered, and his face was covered with blood. He immediately left by a door leading to the interior of the house. There had evidently been a severe struggle, as the top of a marble table lay on the floor broken; also some panes of coloured glass. Other things were scattered about. Two bluejackets were drunk, and had blood on their faces and clothing. He asked the landlady if she wished him to prefer any charge against them as to the damage, and she replied “No, I only want them outside”. He then ejected them into Harvey Street, where they became disorderly, one so much so that he had to be taken into custody. He returned to the Harvey Hotel, where he saw Mrs. Keates. She said the bluejackets were the cause of the trouble, and had attacked the petty officer as he was going through the saloon bar; that they were not drunk, and had only had a pint of stout each.

P.C. Johnson said he was in Dover Street on the day in question, whene he was informed by the barman that there was a fight at the Harvey Hotel, the barman asking him to go and stop it. He went, and in Harvey Street saw the two bluejackets having an altercation. They were drunk. He advised them to go away, and acting on his advice one named Gardener went up Dover Road. The other, Collins, re-entered the Hotel by the saloon bar, and witness immediately ejected him. Outside Collins refused to go away, and he assisted the last witness to take him to the police station. He afterwards returned to the Harvey Hotel, where he noticed in the saloon bar a glass window, a vase, and a chair broken, and all the furniture upset, as though a struggle had taken place.

P.S. Osborne stated that he was on duty at the police station when Collins was brought in by the last two witnesses. He was drunk.

Inspector Swift deposed that shortly before three o`clock on the 21st May he went to the Harvey Hotel, where he saw P.C.s Johnson and Smith, and found the bar in the disorderly state described by them. Keates` daughter was in the bar, and in consequence of a statement the constable made to him in her presence, he said to her “What time did these men come in?”, referring to the sailors. She replied “About twelve o`clock, I think. I didn`t see them come in; they were here when I came in at half past twelve”. He then saw Mrs. Keates, the landlady, and said to her, after she had explained to him about the fight, “Are you aware that one of these men has been locked up, charged with being drunk?” She replied “He was not drunk, for they only had four half tankards of stout the whole time”. He said to her “You may be prosecuted for permitting drunkenness on licensed premises”. She replied “They were as sober as I am”.

Frederick Reason stated that on the day in question his attention was called to the Harvey Hotel, where he saw Mrs. Keates eject a painter – a civilian. A minute or two afterwards he saw Mrs. Keates eject a bluejacket, but the bluejacket ran back inti the bar again. Mrs. Keates then sent for the police. In the meantime he saw two bluejackets set on the petty officer, and treat him most brutally. They were excited by drink, and their actions were those of madmen.

Mr. Minter addressed the Bench for the defence. In doing so he argued that (under Section 4 of the Act) the defendant had taken all reasonable steps in his power to prevent drunkenness. Defendant was the last man in the world who would permit his house to be used by drunken people, or to serve drunken people.

Henry Crow, barman at the Harvey Hotel, and Miss Keates, the landlord`s daughter, having given evidence in support of Mr. Minter`s statement, the Bench retired.

After an absence of about ten minutes the Chairman announced that they had decided to give defendant the benefit of the doubt and the case would, therefore, be dismissed.
 
Folkestone Express 16-7-1904

Wednesday, July 13th: Before W.G. Herbert and W.C. Carpenter Esqs., and Lieut. Colonel Westropp.

Mr. Minter, solicitor, made an application on behalf of Mr. T. Keates, landlord of the Harvey Hotel, in respect of closing a door between the hotel and an adjoining house. He stated that some years ago the cottage was taken in by Mr. Marsh, the then landlord, who added it to the hotel adjoining. The present landlord wished to have the door closed up, and the cottage restored to its original position.

The application was granted.

Folkestone Herald 16-7-1904

Wednesday, July 13th: Before Alderman W.G. Herbert, Lieut. Colonel Westropp, and Mr. W.C. Carpenter.

Mr. J. Minter made an application under Section XI of the Licensing Act, 1900, which provided that no alteration should be made to licensed premises without the consent of the justices. Some years ago, he said, the house adjoining the Harvey Hotel was added to the hotel for additional accommodation. Now that was not required, and he asked permission to block up all the doors, so as to make it a separate building.

The application was allowed.

Folkestone Express 13-8-1904

Wednesday, August 10th: Before Alderman Vaughan, Lieut. Colonel Fynmore, and J. Stainer Esq.

The licence of the Harvey Hotel, Dover Road, was temporarily transferred from Mr. Keates to Mr. Edward Smith.

Folkestone Herald 13-8-1904

Wednesday, August 10th: Before Alderman T.J. Vaughan, Lieut. Col. Fynmore, and Mr. J. Stainer.

The licence of the Harvey Hotel, Dover Road, was temporarily transferred from Mr. Keates to Mr. Smith.

Folkestone Herald 3-9-1904

Wednesday, August 31st: Before Mr. E.T. Ward, and Lieut. Colonel Westropp.

The licence of the Harvey Hotel was transferred from Mr. T.G. Keates to Mr. E. Smith.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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