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General Licensing Notes 1970s



Folkestone Herald 14-2-1970

Annual Licensing Sessions

Public houses in the High Street and harbour areas of Folkestone had no direct connection with the dis­turbances in the town last year. This was made clear at the annual meeting of Folke­stone's licensing justices on Wednesday. But landlords were warned that it might be dangerous to allow “certain elements” to hold meetings in their pubs.

In his annual report on the administration of the licens­ing laws in the town last year, Chief Superintendent W. Pullinger said “Certain premises in the High Street and harbour areas figured in the public disorders in May and September, but this was coincidental, and generally was no reflection on the con­duct of the premises by the licensees concerned. In fact the consumption of alcoholic liquor appears to have played a very small part in these disturbances”.

The Chairman of the Justices, Mr. F.J. Baden Puller, said the disturbances centred on one public house in particular. Although he did not name the public house, he was referring to the Earl Grey, in the High Street. “As a result of this, objec­tions were made to the transfer of that licence”, he said. We are pleased to learn that there has been no trouble at the public house since, and that our decision to allow the transfer was justified”. He added the warning ‘‘But there may be a danger in allowing certain elements to use public houses as meeting places”.

Chief Superintendent Pull-inger’s report revealed that drunkenness in Folkestone last year had reached its lowest level for five years.

Sixteen cases were dealt with by the courts - 11 less than 1968, and the lowest figure since 1964. Licensed premises were regularly visited by police during the year and were generally found to be well conducted, says his report. There were 16 cases of motorists being unfit to drive

through drink. “These prosecutions have not been excessive, but there have been sufficient to indic­ate that drinking and driving is still a great problem and safety hazard”, says the chief superintendent. His report concludes “Firm action by the police in the early part of the year appears to have paid dividends in reducing the number of in­cidents of juveniles drinking, or attempting to obtain alcohol. Although it has been necessary to speak to a few licensees concerning the need for ceasing the sale of drinks promptly at the end of per­mitted hours, there have been no serious contraventions of the liquor licensing laws in this respect”.

Folkestone Herald 12-2-1972

Local News

Landlords at Folkestone will be calling “Time, please” half an hour later this summer. For local Licensing Justices have extended drinking hours to 11 p.m. on week­days during July, August and the first two weeks of September. Closing time will remain at 10.30 p.m. on Sundays. Application for the seasonal extension was successfully made by the Licensed Vic­tuallers’ Association at the Justices’ annual meeting on Wednesday.

Mr. John Medlicott, represent­ing the L.V.A., said that changing social habits had created a need for the extra half hour, not only for residents but especially for holidaymakers. He added that the extension would bring Folkestone into line with Hythe and Romney Marsh, whose summer drinking hours were ex­tended only last week.

Folkestone Gazette 16-2-1972

Annual Licensing Sessions

The number of motorists prosecuted for drink-and-driving offences nearly trebled in Folkestone last year. Forty cases ended up in court in 1971 - compared with only 14 the previous year, according to the annual police report given to Folkestone licensing justices last Wednesday.

After presenting the re­port, Chief Superintendent R. Marsden said “It is difficult to say why this in­crease has occurred. It might be that the impact of the 1967 “breath­alyser” act has worn off on motorists. However, the police have continued their activities in this respect and, in so do­ing, have become more adept with the breath test equip­ment”.

This is supported by the number of drink-and-driving offences to come before the courts from Folkestone in the last few years. In 1966 - before the breathalyser - there were only 10 cases. In 1968 - after the breathalyser - there were 23. But this figure had dropped to 14 by 1970. Mr. Marsden gave the justices an assurance that the police had no intention of relaxing their breath test activities. The 40 cases brought in 1971 arose from some 84 breath tests. The majority of them had occurred during the holiday season. The average age of the motorists concerned was 32. Only three were under 21.

Cases of drunkenness in Folkestone in 1971 increased by one on the previous year to 20. Over half of the 16 men and four women involved came from outside Folke­stone.

Both Mr. Marsden and the chairman of the justices, Mr. F.J. Baden Fuller, compli­mented Folkestone’s licen­sees. “All premises are now considered to be generally well conducted and there is no police objection to the re­newal of any licence within the town”, said the Superin­tendent. “During the year under review two public houses - the Foresters Arms and the Railway Tavern - closed. New licences were granted in respect of six restaurants and one licensed club. In addition two new clubs were registered. In addition to those premises receiving normal police supervision it was found necessary, for various reasons, to pay rather more attention to a small number of licensed premises. This resulted in a bet­ter standard of supervision by the licensees themselves”.

Mr. Baden Puller said “Licensees are to be con­gratulated on the way they have conducted their houses during the year and thanked for their continuing co-op­eration with the police and the justices. We are all conscious that changes in the licensing laws are likely to be made in the not too distant future. If those changes result in a lessening of the supervision and control exercised by the Licensing Justices the licensees will have cause for considerable self-satisfaction. For such a move could only be contemplated in a situation in which the licensees have proved over a long period that they are quite capable of carrying out their work responsibly and with a proper regard, not only for their customers but for the welfare of the com­munity as a whole”.

Folkestone Herald 17-2-1973

Annual Licensing Sessions

Summer visitors to Folkestone will find the pubs closing at 10.30 p.m. on weekdays - 30 minutes earlier than at Hythe and Romney Marsh.

Last year’s decision to open until 11 p.m. was a mistake, according to Folkestone and District Licensed Victuallers’ Association. Association secretary, Mr. Bill Dennis, told Folke­stone licensing Justices on Wednesday the extension costs licensees money. Applying for permission to revert to 10.30 closing, Mr. Dennis said “Our precon­ceived opinion that the public would like an extra half-hour was wrong. At 10.30, most of the cus­tomers were returning home and most houses were empty between 10.30 and 11 p.m”.

The chairman, Mr. R.L. Bristow, asked “Does this cover holidaymakers, too?”

Mr. Dennis answered “Yes - especially in the harbour area. Licensees hired extra staff and had to order taxis to take them home as there was no public transport at that time of night. We have decided that the extra half-hour is un­necessary”.

Superintendent Terry Snelling said the police did not oppose the application, but he said adjoining areas, such as Hythe and Romney Marsh, had already agreed to remain open until 11 p.m. “The justices may con­sider there is a need for con­formity for police and public alike”, he said.

Mr. Dennis said licensees in Hythe and Romney Marsh were unanimous in voting for 11 p.m., but the circumstances were different. “The majority of houses are rural and most of the cus­tomers are farm workers who work late during the sum­mer”.

After a short discussion, the justices granted the application for Folkestone to revert to 10.30 p.m.

This means that the hours will remain the same throughout the year, with local public houses also clos­ing at 11 p.m. on Fridays and Saturdays and 10.30 p.m. on the other five days.

In his annual report, Superintendent Snelling said there were 18 cases of drunkenness during the year – two fewer than in 1971, but the 43 cases of unfitness to drive through drink was three more than in 1971. During the year the Shakespeare Hotel was placed in suspense and the Railway Tavern, which was in suspense, was not renewed. One licensee was cautioned for permitting persons under age to consume alcohol and another for allowing drinking after hours. As a general rule, licensees in the Folkestone area had conducted their premises in a proper manner.

Mr. Bristow said he sympa­thised with licensees who had to determine the age of young customers. He said “People of 13 look like 23, and I advise all licensees to take care". Renewing all licences, he congratulated the landlords on the way they had con­ducted their businesses dur­ing 1972.

Folkestone Herald 11-1-1975

Local News

Drinking time in Folkestone`s pubs may be extended in the summer. A bid is being made for an 11 p.m. closing time - instead of 10.30 p.m. – to bring the town`s pubs into line with other parts of Shepway. The district’s Licensing Justices will have to ap­prove the move at their annual meeting next month. The extra half hour would only apply from Mondays to Fridays. Clos­ing time on Fridays and Saturdays is already 11 p.m.

Publicans in Folkestone tried the late summer closing time two years ago but abandoned the experiment as they did not consider it beneficial.
But the standardisation of Shepway’s licensing hours has now been ac­cepted by Folkestone and District Licensed Victual­lers’ Association. Lunchtime opening hours of 10 a.m. to 2.30 p.m. will not be affected, and the extra half hour will only be permit­ted between July and the second week of Septem­ber.

Folkestone Herald 13-12-1975

Local News

The first cut in the pleasures of 1976 will take place in local pubs. Instead of drinking in the New Year for a full hour, patrons will have to make do with half an hour. This was decided by Folke­stone Magistrates on Thurs­day when the Licensed Victu­allers’ Association, on behalf of 104 licensees, asked for an extension from 10.30 p.m. un­til 1 a.m. and had it reduced to 12.30 a.m. But other applications were granted. These were: Christmas Eve 10.30 p.m. until 11.45 p.m. Boxing Day 2.30 p.m. until 3 p.m. and 11 p.m. until midnight.

Folkestone Herald 14-2-1976

Local News

Prosecutions for drunkenness in Shepway have increased by a staggering 350 percent in the past three years, it was revealed on Wednesday. And publicans were warned they could lose their licences if they served customers who had had “one over the eight”.

The figures were revealed by Folkestone`s police chief, Superintendent Terry Snelling, during his annual report to the local licensing sessions at Seabrook. He said that in 1975 a total of 69 drunks – 64 males and five females – had been arrested by local police. The figure was an increase of 38 percent on 1974, and 350 percent on 1972. The number of cases of drunken driving had increased. A total of 106 people were brought before local Courts last year. “We are worried that motorists are simply not obeying the road traffic laws in this respect”, he said.

The warning to licensees came from Mr. Bedo Hobbs, the presiding judge, who told them “When a person gets to the stage where they’ve had enough, don’t let them have any more. Over the past year we had a large number of defendants in court who say they have done this, that, or the other because of excess drink. We also get solicitors say­ing where excess drink is obtained. We have been fairly free and easy in granting licences in the past, but if this con­tinues we will have to look into the way in which we deal with these things”. Mr. Hobbs also warned that more official visits to licensed premises could be expected in the coming year. He said in the visits to houses in 1975 “some were satisfactory, others, the less said about them the better”. “There will probably be far more visits than last year”, he warned. “I hope there will be some improve­ment in those premises we weren’t happy with last year”.

Landlords were also warned about the dangers of under-age drinking. In his report to the licens­ing justices Superintendent Snelling said “I would draw your attention to the neces­sity of paying particular attention to the sale of in­toxicating liquor to people under the age of 18. This type of offence is gaining prevalence. Although I appreciate the difficulties, there appears to be a tendency to ignore this law”.

Support for the superinten­dent came from Mr. Bedo Hobbs. “I know it can be ex­tremely difficult to tell a person’s age, but you must make every possible effort”, he said.

Publicans hotly denied that their businesses were responsible for any increase in the number of drunks.

Mr. Alf Adams at the Earl Grey, in Folkestone’s Old High Street, said “The drink is coming from off-licences, clubs, restaur­ants, but not the pubs. We do not want drunken cus­tomers. They simply scare off other people and give our houses a bad name”. Mr. Alan White, of the
Prince Albert in Rendezvous Street, agreed: “The thing is these days that people can buy wine and spirits over the counter in all sorts of shops and stores. I am quite certain that most of these people don’t come from pubs. I cer­tainly haven’t noticed any increase in drunkenness in my house or any of the other places I visit in the area. I wouldn’t serve a drunk and I am quite certain that 99.9 percent of the landlords in this area feel exactly the same way”. Mr. White and Mr. Adams criticised the police for not giving a breakdown of offenders so that it could be clearly seen where they had been drink­ing. “It just isn’t fair to local publicans”, said Mr. Adams. Other landlords in the area agreed with their comments in general. 

Folkestone Herald 12-2-1977

Local News

Publicans were urged this week to stamp out under-aged drinking in Shepway. They were also asked to clamp down on serving drunks and motorists in their pubs.

The pleas came from Chief Superintendent Percy Towler at the annual sessions of the Folkestone and Hythe district Licensing Magistrates.
“There is still a need tor vigilance in connection with young persons, especially where dances or social functions are organised”, he said.
“There has been a con­siderable increase in the number of offences of drunkenness. Licensees are not to serve intoxicating liquor to drunks who appear on their premises. The offences of drink­ing and driving have doubled since 1971. It appears that exces­sive drinking and the number of road accidents occur especially in the late even­ing".

But Chief Superintendent Towler gave the publicans a pat on the back, saying the conduct at local licensed premises had been very satisfactory over the past year. “There had been no occasion for any action to be taken”, he said.

And Mr. Bedo Hobbs, the presiding Licensing Justice, congratulated the landlord who threw out a group of 12-year-olds from his pub. Mr. Hobbs added that publicans must endeavour to see under-aged drinking did not take place, although this was difficult to enforce. He said the previous licensing year got off to a bad start when a landlord, giving evidence in support of somebody accused of shoplifting, said the man was so drunk when he left his pub he would not know what he was doing. “During the year we made a number of visits to licensed premises and those that weren’t considered satisfactory have been writ­ten to. I hope they will take note of what has been said”.

Folkestone Herald 11-2-1978

Annual Licensing Sessions

Police were urged this week to make sure there is no under-age drinking in local discos. The call came from Mr. Bedo Hobbs, chair­man at the annual meeting of the Divisional Licensing Committee. He said the police would then be able to inform the Magistrates of the position when applications were being made for licences.

Mr. Hobbs said that licensed premises had been improved and plans were in hand for more improve­ments, particularly where there was better super­vision. The committee welcomed this trend and hoped it would continue. It had tried to help all licence holders, especially those in the hotel and res­taurant trade. In return it expected a high standard of service and integrity, he said.

The committee has renewed all the annual licences for which applica­tions had been received.

In his report Chief Super­intendent Percy Towler said there were 94 cases of driving with excess alcohol or similar offences, a de­crease of 45 from 1976. Drunkenness cases had dropped by 17 to 70. One male juvenile was dealt with for drunkenness, but under-age drinking was not a major problem.

South Kent Gazette 11-4-1979

Local News

An application for licensing extensions in local pubs on Easter Saturday and Sunday was refused by Folkestone Magistrates on Thursday.

Mr. Ronald Webb, who opposed the application on behalf of the police, said it had already been turned down by the Bench on February 26. The Licensed Victuallers` Association should have taken the matter to an appeal court, not to Folkestone Magistrates, he said.

Folkestone Herald 4-8-1979

Local News

Publicans will be raising their glasses in celebration at the news they have permission to open later over the August bank holiday.

At Easter, Magistrates turned local pubs down when they asked for extensions to their licences. Applications were rejected at Easter after another court ruled that the Saturday of the Bank Holiday was not a special occasion. Since then the High Court has ruled that local Magistrates should decide which are special occasions in their area.

Chairman of Folkestone and District Licenced Victu­allers Association, Mr. John Mees, was delighted with the news this week. “It affected our trade at Easter by not being able to open later”, he said.

Pubs will be open until 11.45 p.m. on Friday, August 24, and Saturday, August 25, until 11.30 p.m. on Sunday, August 26, and until 3.30 p.m. at lunch-time on Monday, August 27.
 
 
 
 


 
 
 
 
 

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