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Saturday, 29 June 2013

Duke Of Edinburgh 1900 - 1904



Folkestone Chronicle 31-3-1900

Thursday, March 29th: Before Messrs. Hoad, Pledge, Vaughan, and Stainer, and Col. Westropp.

John Whittingstall, a sailor, and John Cooper, ship`s cook, were charged with being concerned in stealing a cwt., value 1s. 9d., from the sailing ship Brocklesbury.

Detective Burniston said: I was on duty yesterday morning in Harbour Street. About 11.45 I was going towards the Harbour, when I saw Whittingstall leave a ship which was lying in the Harbour. He was carrying a sack, which I afterwards found contained coals. I followed him into Tontine Street, when I saw him enter the public bar of the Duke Of Edinburgh public house. I waited a few minutes and then went in myself. I looked round the bar, but did not see Whittingstall. I saw Mrs. Ralph, the landlady, who came from the back of the bar. I asked her where the man had gone with the coals, and in company with Mrs. Ralph I went down to the cellar. I there saw a daughter of Mrs. Ralph and Whittingstall. The daughter was holding a lighted candle, and Whittingstall was in the act of emptying coals out of a sack. I prevented him from emptying the sack, and asked him where he got them from. He replied “The cook on the Brocklesbury gave them to me”. I said “Are you one of the crew?” He replied “No”. I then said, in the presence of Mrs. Ralph, “How much have you paid this man for these coals?” She replied “I have not paid him anything. I am going to give him some beer for them”. She added “I hope you will not do anything to me. You can see how I am”, and she repeated that she had not paid Whittingstall anything. I then charged Whittingstall on suspicion with stealing the coals, and took him into custody. I called P.C. Allen, and together we went to the Harbour, where I saw Cooper on the quayside. In the presence of Whittingstall I said “Have you given this man any coals?” He replied “Yes”. I then brought Whittingstall to the police station, where he was detained while I made further inquiries. Afterwards, with P.C. Allen, I went to the Duke Of Edinburgh public house, took possession of the coals, and brought them to the station. I then charged Whiitingstall with stealing them, and he made no reply. This morning I charged Cooper with being concerned in stealing the coal, and he replied that he did not know anything about it. When I first saw Whittingstall leaving the ship with the bag upon his back, Cooper was standing by the cabin door.

Captain Wilmott, of the Brocklesbury, said: The prisoner Cooper is cook on board the ship. On Tuesday the 27th March I left Folkestone for Whitstable, and the mate was left in charge of the ship. I returned to Folkestone yesterday, the 28th. In consequence of a message I received I called at the police station, and then saw Detective Burniston, who showed me a sack containing coal. I cannot identify the sack, nor the coals. Prisoners had no authority either to sell coals or to give them away on board the ship.

By the prisoner Whittingstall: I have had no previous complaint to make. Whittingstall I have always found honest while in my employ.

Cooper here pleaded Not Guilty, and Whittingstall Guilty.

The Chairman, addressing Cooper, said there was a doubt in his case, of which he would have the benefit, and he would be discharged. Whittingstall, however, had pleaded Guilty to a serious charge. He was an elderly man, but old enough to know better. He (the Chairman) regretted that someone else was not in the dock beside the prisoner. The sentence of the Court would be one month`s hard labour, without the option of a fine.

Folkestone Express 31-3-1900

Thursday, March 29th: Before J. Hoad, T.J. Vaughan, J. Stainer, and J. Pledge Esqs., and Colonel Westropp.

John Whittingstall and John Cooper, the latter a cook on the collier Brocklesbury, were charged with being concerned in stealing one cwt. of coals, value 1s. 9d., the property of W.H. Wilmott, the captain.

Det. Officer William Burniston said about 11.45 a.m. on March 28th he was in the Harbour Street and saw prisoner Whittingstall leave the ship Brocklesbury, which was in the Folkestone Harbour. He was carrying on his back a sack, which witness afterwards found to have contained coals. He followed the prisoner past Harbour Street into Tontine Street, and saw him enter the Duke Of Edinburgh public house. After waiting a few minutes witness went into the bar. He was unable to see prisoner, but presently Mrs. Marsh entered by the back room. He asked her if a man had brought any coals, and he accompanied Mrs. Ralph down into the cellar. He there saw the daughter of Mrs. Ralph holding a lighted candle whilst the prisoner was about to empty the sack produced. The Detective stopped him and asked him where he obtained them. He replied the cook on the Brocklesbury had given them to him, and when asked by witness if he was one of the crew, prisoner answered in the negative. Witness then asked Mrs. Ralph how much she was going to give in payment for the coals. She replied that she had paid him nothing, but was going to give him some beer. She then added “I hope you won`t do anything to me. You can see how I am”. Witness charged Whittingstall with stealing the coal, and took him into custody. When he got outside he called P.C. Allen and together they went to the Harbour, where they saw prisoner (Cooper) on board the Brocklesbury. He called him and he came upon the quay to him, and witness asked him in Whittingstall`s presence “Have you given this man any coals?”; he said “Yes”. Witness then brought Whittingstall to the police station, where he was detained while enquiries were made. Witness then went back to the Duke Of Edinburgh public house and took possession of the coal, and brought it to the police station. The weight of it was 112lbs., and the value 1s. 9d. He then charged Whittingstall, who made no reply. On Thursday morning John Cooper went up to the police station, when he was charged with being concerned in the theft, and he replied “I know nothing about it”.

In answer to Supt. Reeve, witness said he saw Cooper by the cook-house door when Whittingstall was leaving the ship. Cooper admitted he had given the coals.

Captain William Henry Wilmott, of the ship Brocklesbury, said that Cooper was cook on board the ship. On the 22nd he left Folkestone, and in consequence of a message on the 28th he returned and went to the police station, when he was shown the sack of coals produced. He was unable to identify either the sack or the coals. He gave Whittingstall a good character.

Whittingstall pleaded Guilty, whilst Cooper pleaded Not Guilty, and added that he did not see the prisoner leave the ship or take the sack away. They might have been sweepings.

The Bench gave John Cooper some benefit of the doubt and discharged him, and told John Whittingstall that it was a serious charge against him, and they sentenced him to one month`s hard labour.

Folkestone Herald 31-3-1900

Folkestone Police Court

On Thursday John Whittingstall and John Cooper were charged with being concerned in stealing a cwt. of coals, value 1s. 9d.

From the evidence it appeared that Detective Burniston saw Whittingstall leave the ship Brocklesby on March 28th, carrying a sack. He followed him and saw him enter the Duke Of Edinburgh. The detective subsequently accompanied Mrs. Ralph into the cellar, and saw the defendant about to empty the sack. He said that it was given to him by the cook of the Brocklesby. Mrs. Ralph said that she had paid nothing, but was going to give some beer for the coals. The detective afterwards went to the harbour and saw Cooper, cook on the Brocklesby. He admitted giving Whittingstall some coal.

Captain Wilmott, of the ship, gave Whittingstall a good character.

Whittingstall pleaded Guilty and Cooper Not Guilty.

Cooper said that he did not see the other defendant leave the ship or take the sack away. They might have been sweepings.

Whittingstall was sent to a month`s hard labour. The Bench discharged Cooper, giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Folkestone Chronicle 28-3-1903

Saturday, March 21st: Before Mr. W. Wightwick, Lieut. Colonel Hamilton, and Messrs. S. Penfold, G. Peden, J. Pledge, E.T. Ward, T.J. Vaughan and G.I. Swoffer.

Thomas Woods was summoned for being drunk on licensed premises.

P.C. Thomas Sales said at 10.45 on the evening of the 16th he was called to the Cinque Ports Arms. As he arrived, defendant, who was drunk, left the premises. Soon afterwards witness saw the defendant at the bar of the Duke Of Edinburgh. He was leaning against the counter. The landlady refused to serve him.

Woods pleaded Guilty. He said he was very sorry, and had never been in a Court before. For the last six years he had been working on the harbour.

Fined 1s. and 9s. 6d. costs, or seven days`, time being allowed for payment.

Folkestone Express 28-3-1903

Saturday, March 21st: Before Aldermen Penfold and Vaughan, Lieut. Col. Hamilton, G. Peden, J. Pledge, W. Wightwick, E.T. Ward, and G.I. Swoffer Esqs.

Thos. Woods was summoned for being drunk on licensed premises.

P.C. Sales said about 10.45 on the night of the 16th inst. he was called to the Cinque Ports Arms, where he saw defendant in a drunken condition leaving the premises. About 10.55 he saw defendant in the bar of the Duke Of Edinburgh, leaning against the counter. The landlady said “You get outside. I shan`t serve you”. Defendant refused to leave the place, and witness had to eject him.

Fined 1s. and 9s. 6d. costs.

Folkestone Chronicle 13-2-1904

Licensing Sessions

Wednesday, February 10th: Before Mr. W. Wightwick, Alderman Herbert, Lieut. Cols. Fynmore, Westropp, and Hamilton, Messrs. C.J. Pursey and E.T. Ward.

The Chief Constable (Mr. H. Reeve) read his annual report, which contained interesting figures with regard to drunkenness, etc. No person in Folkestone had yet been convicted a sufficient number of times to be placed on the “black list”. The Chief Constable objected to the renewal of the licence of the Swan Inn, Dover Road, and asked that the consideration of this licence might be deferred until the adjourned sessions.

The Chairman then read the Justices` Report, which stated that the number of licensed houses in Folkestone, and especially around the harbour, was out of all proportion to the population. The number of licences had not been reduced, owing to the fact that a Bill amending the Licensing Laws was shortly to be introduced in Parliament. Certain public houses – the Imperial Brewery Tap, the Hope, the East Cliff Tavern, the Victoria, the Lifeboat Inn, the Duke Of Edinburgh, and the Channel Inn had been inspected by the Justices, and recommendations with regard to their sanitary improvement and closing of back entries were made.

Mr. John Minter said that water had been laid on at the Channel Inn since the report on the bad state of the sanitary arrangements. Mr. Minter also suggested with regard to the Imperial Brewery Tap that a public bar should be made with an entrance from Mill Bay.

The Bench decided, however, that the orders made in the report should be adhered to.

Licences were then granted to the lessees of public houses and licensed premises.

Mr. Minter applied for full licences for Mr. W.T. Tame and Mr. Gregory, but no new facts were forthcoming and the Bench declined to grant them, stating that they would grant no new licences this year.
 
Folkestone Express 13-2-1904

Annual Licensing Meeting

Wednesday, February 10th: Before W. Wightwick Esq., Lieut. Col. Hamilton, Lieut. Col. Fynmore, Lieut. Colonel Westropp, and W.G. Herbert, E.T. Ward, and C.J. Pursey Esqs.

The following was the report of Supt. Reeve: Chief Constable`s Office, Folkestone, 10th February, 1904. To the Chairman and Members of the Licensing Committee of the Borough of Folkestone. Gentlemen, I have the honour to report for your information that there are at present within your jurisdiction 139 premises licensed for the sale of intoxicating liquors, namely: Full licences 87; Beer on 11; Beer off 6; Beer and Spirits (dealers) 16; Grocers 12; Confectioners 3; Chemists 4; Total 139 – an average of one licence to every 220 persons, or one “on” licence to every 313. This is a decrease of one full licence as compared with last year`s return, the licence of the Marquis Of Lorne having been refused at the adjourned meeting in March. Twenty of the licences have been transferred during the year, namely, 14 full licences, two beer on, two beer off, and two grocers. One beer off licence was transferred twice during the year. One licence holder has been convicted since the last annual meeting of committing drunkenness on his licensed premises. He has since transferred his licence and left the house. The alterations which the Justices at the adjourned meeting last year directed to be made to the Packet Boat, Castle, Tramway, Bricklayers` Arms, Granville, and Star Inns have all been carried out in a satisfactory manner, and none of the licensed houses are now used as common lodging houses. Ten occasional licences, and extensions of hours on 21 occasions, have been granted to licence holders during the year. There are 14 places licensed for music and dancing, and two for public billiard playing. Eleven clubs where intoxicating liquors are sold are registered in accordance with the Licensing Act of 1902. For the year ending 31st December last year, 154 persons (131 males and 23 females) were proceeded against for drunkenness. 131 were convicted and 23 discharged. This is an increase of 65 persons proceeded against, and 51 convicted, as compared with 1902. The increase is chiefly due to the additional powers given to the police under the Licensing Act, 1902. Up to the present time no person within the Borough has been convicted the necessary number of times within the 12 months to be placed on the “black list” as provided by Section 6 of the Act of 1902. With very few exceptions the whole of the licensed houses have been conducted in a satisfactory manner. The only objection I have to make to the renewal of any of the present licences is that of the Swan Inn, Dover Road, and I would ask that the renewal of this licence be deferred until the adjourned meeting. I have the honour to be, gentlemen, your obedient servant, H. Reeve (Chief Constable).

The Chairman: I think, gentlemen, you will agree that the report of the Superintendent is a satisfactory one – in fact, I may say very satisfactory – for the whole year. With your permission I well read the report we now make to you. At the adjournment of the last general licensing meeting we stated that in our opinion the number of licences for the sale of intoxicating liquor then existing in the borough of Folkestone, especially in the part of the immediate neighbourhood of the Harbour, was out of all proportion to the population, and that we proposed between then and the general annual licensing meeting of this year to obtain information on various matters, to enable us to determine what reduction would be made in the number of licences. We invited the owners of licensed houses in the meantime to meet and agree among themselves for the voluntary surrender at this general meeting of a substantial number of licences in the borough, and to submit the result of their united action to the Licensing Justices for acceptance. Failing any satisfactory proposal for reduction by the owners, the Licensing Justices last year intimated that in the exercise of their discretionary powers they would at this year`s meeting decide in a fair and equitable spirit what reduction should be made. But at the opening of Parliament last week it was announced in the King`s speech that the Government intended to introduce in the House of Commons during the present session a Bill to amend the Licensing Laws. In view of this legislation we are of opinion we ought not, pending the passage of this Bill through Parliament, exercise the discretionary powers vested in us, and take measures for effecting a further reduction in the number of licences within the borough on the ground that certain licensed premises are not required for the public accommodation. We have recently inspected certain houses known as the Imperial Brewery Tap, the Hope, East Cliff Tavern, Victoria, Lifeboat, Duke Of Edinburgh, Railway Tavern, and Channel Inn.

As to the Duke Of Edinburgh, these premises are structurally unfit, and not adapted for licensed premises. There is no urinal, except one entered from the public bar by means of a door, the smell from which is very offensive. The bar is badly lighted. We direct that the holder of the licence shall, within fourteen days from this date, close the existing urinal and erect a new urinal outside the building, and also close the gate leading from the yard, uncoloured on the deposited plan, to Dover Street, so that the police may exercise proper supervision over the licensed premises.


 

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