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Saturday, 27 July 2013

Wheatsheaf (2) 1890s



Folkestone Chronicle 14-2-1891

Saturday, February 7th: Before Colonel De Crespigny, Major H.W. Poole, W.G. Herbert and F. Boykett Esqs.

George M`Clee was charged with assaulting Edward Thomas Clay, a harbour porter, in the employ of the South Eastern Railway Company, on the 31st of January.

Prosecutor said he went into the Wheatsheaf for a glass of beer after he left business on Saturday night. The defendant – witness`s brother-in-law – was in the bar and said “You`re just the man I want”. Defendant went outside and waited, and when witness was going out of the house he struck him in the face with his fist, knocking him down. Whilst he was down someone kicked him in the head and stunned him, and he was picked up and taken away.

By the defendant: You did not ask me to give you some help towards keeping my brother. I did not strike at you. I couldn`t have done so as I had my bag and shoes in my hands.

Charles White said he saw the defendant knock Clay down outside of the Wheatsheaf. He saw him deal him two blows. He did not see the latter aim a blow at defendant or strike him. Both hands were occupied. The defendant and his wife both kicked at prosecutor whilst he was down, but he could not say whether they kicked him. Clay was sober, but defendant was drunk.

Fined 10s. and 10s. costs, or 14 days` hard labour.

The money was paid.

Folkestone Chronicle 19-12-1891

Inquest

An inquest was held at the Town Hall on Monday evening before the Borough Coroner (J. Minter Esq.) on the body of Cordelia Grinstead, who died suddenly in the Royal Standard Inn on Saturday morning.

Henry Grinstead, a plasterer, living in Canterbury Road, said the deceased was his wife, and her age was 51. She lived with him and died on Saturday, about a quarter past eleven, at the Royal Standard public house. He last saw her alive at eight o`clock on Saturday morning, going down the footpath leading to the road in front of his house. He was in his bedroom. She had not slept with him, but downstairs, on the same floor as his mother slept. His mother`s age was 85, and was, considering her age, active, and did the housework. He went to bed on Friday night about 10.30, leaving his wife lying on the sofa, where she slept. He said to her “Don`t you think it`s time I slept upstairs and you there, as I`m sober and you`re drunk”. He had been in the habit of sleeping on the sofa, as he would not sleep with her because she was drunk. She was drunk on Friday night. There was no quarrel between them, but they were in the habit of quarrelling, and that was the reason he did not sleep with her. The drunken habits of the deceased had been going on for ten or twelve years. As deceased was going down the path she appeared to be sober. She brushed her dress as she walked along.

Mrs. Jane Elizabeth Smith, wife of the landlord of the Sportsman`s Tavern, Sidney Street, said on Saturday morning the deceased went to her house about 9.30 and asked for some beer, and witness refused her. She seemed all right, but looked very pale.

Mrs. Amy Merton, of the Royal Standard Tavern, said the deceased went to her house at about a quarter to eleven on Saturday morning. She was not indoors when deceased went in, but when she returned at about ten minutes to eleven she saw deceased in a fit in a chair. She sent for assistance, and Dr. Barrett came about twelve. Deceased was dead when he arrived.

Mrs. Sarah Holliday, of the Wheatsheaf Inn, said she saw the deceased between half past ten and eleven on Saturday morning. She asked for 4d. worth of whisky, and passed the remark that she was not feeling very well.

William Barrett, surgeon, said he was called to see deceased on Saturday at about a quarter to one. He went to the Royal Standard and found deceased lying on the couch dead. He had made a post mortem examination of the body and found she had a large and several small tumours on the liver. A small one had burst, causing syncope, from which she died.

The jury returned a verdict in accordance with the medical testimony.

Folkestone Express 19-12-1891

Inquest

An inquest was held at the Town Hall, Folkestone, on Monday evening, before J. Minter Esq., Coroner, on the body of Cordelia Grinstead, who died suddenly in the Royal Standard Inn on Saturday morning.

Henry Grinstead, a plasterer, living in Canterbury Road, said the deceased was his wife, and her age was 51. She lived with him, and died on Saturday about a quarter past eleven in the Royal Standard public house. He last saw her alive at eight o`clock on Saturday morning, going down the footpath leading to the road in front of his house. She had not slept with him, but downstairs on the same floor as his mother slept. His mother`s age was 85, and was, considering her age, active, and did the housework. He went to bed on Friday night about 10.30, leaving his wife lying on the sofa, where she slept. He said to her “Don`t you think it`s time I slept upstairs and you there, as I`m sober and you`re drunk?” He had been in the habit of sleeping on the sofa, as he would not sleep with her because she was drunk. She was drunk on Friday night. There was no quarrel between them, but they were in the habit of quarrelling, and that was the reason he would not sleep with her. The drunken habits of the deceased had been going on for ten or twelve years. As deceased was going down the path she appeared to be sober, as she brushed her dress as she walked along.

Mrs. Jane Elizabeth Smith, wife of the landlord of the Sportsman`s Tavern, Sidney Street, said on Saturday morning the deceased went to their house about 9.30 and asked for some beer, and witness refused her. She seemed all right, but looked very pale.

Mrs. Amy Merton, of the Royal Standard Tavern, said the deceased went to her house at about a quarter to eleven on Saturday morning. She was not indoors when deceased went in, but when she returned at about ten minutes to eleven she saw deceased in a fit in a chair. She sent for assistance, and Dr. Barrett came about twelve o`clock. Deceased was dead when he arrived.

Mrs. Sarah Holliday, of the Wheatsheaf Inn, said she saw the deceased between half past ten and eleven on Saturday morning. Deceased asked her to serve her with 4d. worth of whisky, and passed the remark that she was not feeling very well.

William Peard Barrett, M.R.C.S., said he was called to see the deceased on Saturday last at about a quarter to one. He went to the Royal Standard and found deceased lying on the couch dead. He had made a post mortem examination of the body, and found she had a large, and several small, tumours on the liver. A small one had burst, causing syncope, from which she died.

The jury found that the deceased died from natural causes.

Folkestone Herald 19-12-1891

Inquest

Mr. John Minter (Borough Coroner) held an inquest at the Town Hall on Monday evening last, touching the death of Cordelia Grinstead, who died on Saturday last at the Royal Standard public house, Bridge Street.

The jury having viewed the body, the following evidence was taken:-

Henry Grinstead, plasterer, living at 88, Canterbury Road, said deceased was his wife. He last saw her alive on Saturday morning last, when she appeared in her usual health. Witness said he did not sleep in the same bedroom as deceased, on account of her drunken habits. She was drunk the night before her death. Deceased had been given to drinking about ten or twelve years. He had had no quarrel, nor did he strike deceased on Friday.

Jane Eliza Smith, wife of Robert Smith, landlord of the Sportsman`s Inn, Sidney Street, said deceased came into her house on Saturday morning last at half past nine and asked for a drink, but she refused to serve her.

Ellen Murten, wife of William Murten, landlord of the Royal Standard, said deceased came to her house about 10.45 on Saturday morning. She was not indoors at the time, but on returning found deceased in a fit. Witness at once sent for a doctor, and on his arrival found she was quite dead.

Mrs. Halliday, wife of George Halliday, landlord of the Wheatsheaf, said deceased came to their house between 10 and 11 a.m. and had some whisky. She complained of not feeling well, and soon after left the house. Witness afterwards saw her enter the Royal Standard.

Dr. William Peard Barrett, M.R.C.S., said he was called to deceased, and found her lying on a couch quite dead. He made a post mortem examination of the body. Deceased was suffering from an internal complaint, and in his opinion the immediate cause of death was syncope.

The jury returned a verdict in accordance with the medical evidence.

Folkestone Chronicle 16-7-1892

Saturday, July 9th: Before Mr. Fitness, Alderman Pledge, Mr. Holden, Mr. George Spurgen, and Mr. E.T. Ward.

George Holloway (sic), landlord of the Wheatsheaf, was summoned for keeping his premises open for the sale of intoxicating liquors during prohibited hours on Sunday, the 26th of June.


Sergeant Lilley said he watched the Wheatsheaf from 7.15 until 7.50 on the morning of the 26th ultimo, in company with Sergeant Swift. He saw eight persons go inside, and when he and Swift entered the bar they were drinking. One man was a milkman from Acrise, and he believed he was a bona fide traveller. Defendant`s wife was in the bar.

Mr. Minter said he appeared for the owners, Messrs. Mackeson of Hythe. Defendant had bben in the house two years and he believed that was the first complaint against him. His explanation was that the milkman went in and the others followed. The brewers were always trying to impress upon the tenants the folly of breaking the laws. The profit they got out of a pint of beer not only imperilled their tenancy, but subjected them to a penalty which would take away the profit for a whole year.

Defendant was fined £5 and 9s. costs.

Folkestone Express 16-7-1892

Saturday, July 9th: Before J. Fitness, J. Holden, J. Pledge, E. Ward, and G. Spurgen Esqs.

George Holliday was charged with having his house , the Wheatsheaf Inn, open for the sale of intoxicating liquor during prohibited hours on Sunday, the 26th June.He pleaded Guilty.

Sergeant Lilley said he, with Sergeant Swift, watched the Wheatsheaf, in Bridge Street, between 7.30 and 8.50, and saw eight men go in. When he went in defendant and his wife were behind the bar.

Mr. Minter appeared for the owners, Messrs. Mackeson, of Hythe. The defendant had been in the house for 20 years. He drew some beer for the milkman, who was a bona fide traveller. He was a quiet, inoffensive man, and kept the house very orderly. He (Mr. Minter) asked the Bench in this case also not to endorse the licence.

Superintendent Taylor said there was no special complaint against the house, which, however, was very difficult to watch.

The Bench imposed in this case the same fine of £5 and 9s. costs.

Folkestone Herald 16-7-1892

Police Court Jottings

The erring publican is hardly “at rest” just at present. Of late we have had several cases in which these recalcitrant members of “the trade” have had to pay somewhat dearly for their lapses.

On this occasion two of them were requested to hand over a £5 note each, with, of course, the accompanying costs, for having sold liquor during prohibited hours on Sunday, the 26th of June. They were George Burgess, landlord of the Folkestone Cutter, and Geo. Holliday, landlord of the Wheatsheaf.

In the first case Sergts. Lilley and Swift proved they saw about 40 persons go into the house between half past five and a quarter to seven. On going into the house they found four men there drinking. And in the second, the same officers stated that they saw eight persons enter the house, and on going in they found them all drinking.

Mr. Minter, who represented the owners of the houses, Messrs. Ash and Co. in the one case, and Messrs. Mackeson, of Hythe in the other, did the best he could, but the result was as we have previously stated.

Sandgate Visitors` List 16-7-1892

Local News

George Holloway, landlord of the Wheatsheaf Inn public house, was charged at the Folkestone Police Court on Saturday with having his house open for the sale of intoxicating liquors during prohibited hours on Sunday, 26th June. The case was proved by Police Sergt. Lilley. Defendant was fined £5 and 9s. costs, but the licence was not endorsed.
 
Folkestone Chronicle 23-7-1892

Wednesday, July 20th: Before Major H.W. Poole and Mr. W. Wightwick.

George Brewer and Harry William Richards were summoned for being on licensed premises during prohibited hours on the 26th of June.

P.S. Lilley stated that he watched the Wheatsheaf Inn on Sunday morning, June 26th, in company with Sergeant Swift. At 7.50 he saw the two defendants enter the house. Witness went in shortly afterwards and found the defendants with a pint of beer each – drinking. He asked the landlord what they were doing in the house. He replied “Having a pint of beer”.

Richards pleaded Guilty and was fined 2s. 6d. and 10s. costs, but Brewer, who did not appear, was fined 2s. 6d. and 10s. costs, or seven days` imprisonment in default of payment.

Thomas Baker, Alfred Marks, Patrick Cox, and Henry Dorrell were also summoned for being on licensed premises during prohibited hours on the 26th of June, and pleaded Guilty.

Folkestone Herald 23-7-1892

Police Court Jottings

On Wednesday Messrs. Poole and Wightwick had their attention engaged with some very ordinary cases, that of thirsty souls charged with having been found on licensed premises during prohibited hours, presumably, of course, for the purpose of purchasing beer. They all pleaded Guilty.

Geo. Brewer and Harry Richards were found at the Wheatsheaf on the 26th of June (Sunday), at six in the morning, by Sergeants Lilley and Swift, and were fined, Richards 2s. 6d. and 9s. costs, and Brewer 2s. 6d. and 10s. costs, the extra shilling in the way of costs was because he did not put in an appearance, and the constable had to prove the service of the summons, for doing which, however, he does not get the shilling.

Thomas Baker, Albert Parker, Patrick Cox, and Harry Durrell, for being found under similar circumstances at the Cutter, were similarly fined.

Folkestone Chronicle 27-8-1892

Wednesday, August 24th: Before Mr. J. Clark, Alderman Pledge, Councillor Holden, and Messrs. J. Fitness, J. Boykett, H.W. Poole and W. Wightwick.

Annual Licensing Session

Folkestone Clergymen on Licensing

Mr. A.H. Gardner said he had been instructed by the Church of England Temperance Society, not in any spirit of antagonism towards the Bench, but in order that they might know the Society`s views upon the subject, to put before them a resolution, passed the other day at the Vestry of the Parish Church, the Rev. M. Woodward presiding. The resolution was to the effect that the clergymen representing the various churches in the town, respectfully asked the Bench not to grant any new licenses, except to private hotels and restaurants, such to be used for bona fide customers, and not for bars, etc. He also added that he was particularly urged to ask the Bench not to grant any additional licenses to grocers, as such licenses were fraught with very mischievous consequences, inasmuch as they held out great temptations to women. Mr. Gardner stated that the clergymen further added that the meeting also desired the Bench to consider the propriety of refusing the renewal of the licenses of those persons who had been convicted during the past year, and, in conclusion, they pointed out the great preponderance of public houses east of Alexandra Gardens over those west of the Gardens.

The Bench then proceeded with the renewal of the licenses.

Adjournments

The Superintendent of Police having reported that convictions for offences against the Licensing Act had been obtained against the following in the course of the past year, the Bench decided to refer their applications for renewals to the Adjourned Session, Wednesday, September 28th: Chidwell Brice, Alexandra Hotel; Burgess, Folkestone Cutter; A. Mutton, Warren Inn; Laslett, Wonder Tavern; Weatherhead, Cinque Ports Arms; and Halliday, Wheatsheaf Inn.

Folkestone Express 27-8-1892

Wednesday, August 24th: Before J. Clark, Alderman Pledge, W. Wightwick, J. Fitness, J. Holden, H.W. Poole, and F. Boykett Esqs.

Annual Licensing Day

Mr. A.H. Gardner said he had been instructed by the Church of England Temperance Society, presided over by the Vicar of Folkestone, to appear before the justices. He did not do so in any spirit of dictation to the Bench, but that they might see the views of the Society upon the subject, and he would put in a resolution passed the other day at a meeting held in the vestry, asking the justices not to grant any new licenses, except to private hotels or restaurants. It also particularly urged that grocer`s licenses were peculiarly fraught with mischief as giving great facilities to women. They also thought that the number of licenses, of which there were 82, should be reduced, especially where there had been convictions for violation of the law. They did not specially single out any particular houses, but they thought when there had been recent convictions, they might refuse the renewal of licenses to such houses. Further they especially called attention to the preponderance in the number of houses at the lower end of the town – there were 79 east of Alexandra Gardens, while there were only three on the west. Mr. Gardner also referred to the fact that the magistrates last year refused to renew in English counties 117 licenses, and in boroughs as many as 101.

Adjourned Applications

The applications in respect of the Folkestone Cutter, the Alexandra, the Wheatsheaf, the Warren, the Wonder, and the Cinque Ports Arms, where there had been convictions for breaches of the law, were ordered to stand over until the adjourned licensing day, Wednesday the 28th of September.

Folkestone Chronicle 1-10-1892

Adjourned Licensing Session

The Adjourned Licensing Session for the Borough was held at the police Court on Wednesday morning, on which occasion considerable interest was evinced in the proceedings by reason of the fact that the renewal of the licenses of several well known and old established houses in the town was opposed by the Superintendent of Police, acting under the direction of the Licensing Committee of the Bench.

The Magistrates present were Mr. J. Clarke, Alderman Pledge, Councillor Holden, and Messrs. H.W. Poole and J. Wightwick.

Mr. Martyn Mowll, of Dover, appeared to support the objections of the police, and Mr. J. Minter and Mr. Hall, severally, appeared on behalf of the claimants.

At the opening of the Court, the Chairman said, before the business commenced he wished to make one announcement. It referred to something which had been done in other towns, and which the Committee thought it best to do in Folkestone. It was the opinion of the Committe that there were too many licensed houses in Folkestone, and they therefore suggested that the owners of the houses should talk the matter over amongst themselves, and agree as to which houses it would be best to close. If nothing was done before the next Licensing Session, the Committee would be obliged to suppress some of the licensed houses themselves. But if the owners would talk the matter over amongst themselves and agree upon the houses to be closed it would save a great difficulty.

The Wheatsheaf Inn

George Holliday, the occupier, applied for the renewal of the licence of this house.

Mr. Mowll said the grounds of objection were of the usual character. There was a conviction against Holliday, and there were six licensed houses within a distance of 350 paces from the Wheatsheaf.

Mr. Minter appeared for the claimant and also for Messrs. Mackeson and Co., the owners of the house.

The Bench granted the renewal.

Folkestone Express 1-10-1892

Wednesday, September 28th: Before J. Clark, J. Holden, W. Wightwick, H.W. Poole, and J. Pledge Esqs.

This was the adjourned licensing day, and Mr. J. Clark said: Before the business commences I want to make an announcement. It has been done in other places, and we consider the same should be done here. It is the unanimous opinion of the licensing committee that there are far too many licensed houses in Folkestone, and they would suggest to the owners of houses that they should talk it over amongst themselves and agree as to which houses it would be best to drop. If nothing is done between now and next licensing day, the magistrates will be obliged to suppress some of the houses in the town. So if the owners would talk it over among themselves which houses it would be best to drop, it would save us great difficulty.

The Wheatsheaf

George Holliday applied for the renewal of the licence of the Wheatsheaf. He was convicted on the 9th July for selling on Sunday and proof of the conviction was put in. The fine was £5 and costs, and the licence was not endorsed.

Sergeant Swift said he paced the distances of other licenses from the Wheatsheaf. There were six within 350 paces.

Mr. Minter appeared for the applicant and for Messrs. Mackeson, the owners. He said Holliday had held the licence for upwards of twenty years, and there had been no complaint against him. On the occasion of the offence, it was a milkman who was served with beer. He appealed to the Bench to renew the licence.

The Bench decided to renew the licence, and the Chairman remarked that it was not only the milkman – there were others.

Mr. Mowll: And they pleaded Guilty, sir.

Mr. Minter: That showed they were honest. (Laughter)

The Cutter, Dover Street.

Mr. Gatley applied for a renewal of the licence, transferred to him from Mr. Burgess. Mr. Mowll appeared to oppose.

Sergeant Swift said he measured the distance of other licensed houses from the Cutter.

Mr. Minter appeared for the applicant and said the owners, after the conviction of Burgess, at once took measures to remive him and get a new tenant.

The Bench renewed the licence.

Folkestone Herald 1-10-1892

Police Court Jottings

Considerable interest was manifested on Wednesday in the proceedings at the adjourned Licensing Meeting for the Borough as the Licensing Committee had instructed the police to serve notices of six objections. Mr. Mowll, of Dover, appeared to support the police in their opposition by instruction of the Watch Committee.

The Chairman, Mr. J. Clark, at the outset said it had been suggested that the same plan adopted elsewhere should be pursued there. It was the unanimous opinion of the Licensing Committee that there were too many licensed houses in Folkestone and they would suggest that the owners of licensed houses should talk it over among themselves and agree, before the next annual meeting, which houses should be dropped out. The Licensing Committee felt compelled to suppress some of the houses in the town, and if the owners would carry out that suggestion it would do away with a great difficulty and relieve the Magistrates of an invidious task.

The licenses of the Wheatsheaf (Geo. Holliday), the Folkestone Cutter (Joseph Gatley, a new tenant), and the Wonder Tavern (Geo. Laslett), were renewed.
 
Folkestone Chronicle 26-12-1896

Saturday, December 19th: Before Mr. W.G. Herbert and General Gwyn.

An application by Mr. Holliday, of the Wheatsheaf, Bridge Street, for an hour`s extension on the occasion of a supper, was refused.

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