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Saturday, 2 August 2014

Harvey Hotel 1870s



Southeastern Gazette 16-7-1872

Inquest

On Monday evening an inquest was held at the Harvey Inn, Mill Lane, touching the death of Charles Newington, a labourer, 50 years of age, late in the employ of Mr. J. Bowley.

Mr. Bowley deposed: The deceased was mowing on the lawn in front of my house about six o’clock on the morning of Saturday, the 15th June, when he out the knuckle of the little finger of his left hand. He showed it me immediately afterwards, and was going to pull the piece of skin off. I persuaded him not to do so. It bled but a very little. I obtained a piece of rag and bound his hand up for him. He continued his work the whole of that day, and worked on the farm at Cheriton up to the 29th of June. On that day, when he took his money, I noticed a peculiar look on the right side of his face, which was drawn up. I asked him what was the matter. He said he had got a bit of a cold and a stiff jaw, and that he could not get his mouth open except to get his finger in. I asked him how long it had been so, and he said about three days. He stated that when he was out in the field he gaped, and when he shut his mouth his jaw cracked and had been stiff ever since. I asked him if he had seen the doctor about it, and he said he had not. I told him to do so as soon as possible. He said he thought it would be better in a day or two; it was only a little cold. I missed him on Monday from work, and sent round to enquire about him, and heard he was laid up.

Jane Mcklin said she lived at Bridge Street and had known the deceased about four months. She was living in the same house with him. Three weeks ago last Saturday he came home to dinner and said he bad cut his hand, but was in no pain with it. When he came home at night he washed and dressed it. He told witness he was sharpening his scythe, when it slipped, and, in catching it, he cut his hand. It. was healing up very nicely, and he made no complaint about its hurting him. On the Thursday he complained of stiffness and stayed at home the day, but went to work the week after and did not leave work the whole week. On the Thursdav he complained of a stiffness of the jaw, and difficulty in opening his mouth. On the Monday witness sent for the doctor. Deceased went to bed on the Sunday and did not get up again.

Mr. Bateman surgeon, deposed: I was sent for to see the deceased. I found him in bed complaining of stiffness on the right side of the jaw. While he was speaking to me he had spasmodic catchings of the muscles. I immediately said, “Have you met with some accident and cut yourself anywhere?” He said he cut his hand a fortnight ago, and showed his left hand, from the knuckle of the little finger of which a small piece of skin had been shorn off. Marked symptoms of tetanus showed themselves—spasms of the muscles, of the body, and neck. The attempt to swallow brought, on spasms in the muscles of the throat. I attended him till Saturday afternoon, when he died from tetanus, no doubt brought on by the slight accident he had met with.

The jury returned a verdict in accordance with the medical evidence.

Folkestone Chronicle 21-12-1872

Local News

Folkestone Catch Club

On Tuesday evening last the first concert was given in connection with this lately formed Club, at Mr. Marsh`s Harvey Hotel. Mr. Marsh had taken great pains, and went to considerable expense to fit up the large room in his hotel for the accommodation of the Club and the public. The result gave every satisfaction, as every one of the large party who assembled on this occasion were comfortably seated, and their wants quickly attended to by those who waited upon them for orders.

Folkestone Chronicle 22-2-1873

Catch Club

On Tuesday last the fifth concert in connection with the club was held at Marsh`s Harvey Hotel, under the presidency of Alderman T. Caister. The room was crowded.
 
Folkestone Chronicle 14-6-1873

Coroner`s Inquest

On Saturday last, an inquest was held at the Harvey Hotel, on the body of Thomas Campion, a shoemaker, aged 41, lodging at 27, Charlotte Street, who was killed by falling into the harbour. Dr. Eastes said he was called to attend to deceased at about two o`clock on Wednesday morning last. He had all the symptoms of a person suffering concussion of the brain, but the only visible external injury was a lacerated wound on the scalp. He died on Thursday afternoon, having remained insensible during the whole of that time. William Henry Forbes, late of Hastings, stated that he lived at the Dew Drop Inn, Fancy Street. Had known the deceased about six years. On Tuesday last he was in witness`s company all the evening, and at about eleven o`clock he asked him to have a ramble. They were both perfectly sober. They went down to the harbour, to the lower standing, where the people fish. Deceased went past and witness followed. It was very dark there. All at once witness missed deceased, and cried out “Tom, where are you?”. There was no answer, and on looking over the harbour, the tide being out, witness fancied he saw deceased lying on the rocks. He must have slipped and fallen six or seven feet. Having obtained assistance, he was conveyed home. They had no particular motive in going to the lower standing. They were on the best of terms, and had not quarrelled. John Kelway, a Custom House officer, confirmed the evidence of this witness. The jury returned a verdict of “Accidental Death”.

Folkestone Express 14-6-1873

Inquest

In our last impression we briefly recorded the fact that a man named Thomas Campion fell among the rocks under the lighthouse at the end of the quay at the harbour, and died from the effects of injuries received. An inquest was held on Saturday at the Harvey Hotel, before John Minter Esq., and a jury. After viewing the body the following evidence was taken:

S. Eastes Esq., M.R.C.S. deposed to being called to see deceased at 27, Charlotte Terrace at two o`clock on Wednesday morning. He found him in bed, the only visible injury being a wound behind the right ear. Endeavoured to raise him from his state of insensibility without effect. Deceased had all the symptoms of severe concussion of the brain. Gave directions as to what should be done and called again early in the morning; found patient still insensible. Saw him five or six times during the day and used the proper remedies. Deceased  continued in the same state until three o`clock the following morning, when his breathing became difficult and he was no longer able to swallow, and gradually sank and died at half past two in the afternoon from concussion – not compression – of the brain, most probably caused by a fall which witness had been informed deceased had had.

Elizabeth Impett, 27, Charlotte Street, said deceased had lodged at her house about seven years, was 48 years of age. Knew nothing of his friends. Deceased left home between eight and nine on Tuesday morning; passed him between eight and nine in Dover Street, when he appeared sober. He was generally a sober man, but sometimes he got out a bit. Two policemen and Forbes brought deceased home insensible about one o`clock on Wednesday morning.

William Henry Forbes said he lived at the Dew Drop, Fancy Street. Had known deceased about six years. On Tuesday evening deceased had tea with him, had a game of draughts after tea, had four pints of half-and-half among three of them, went to the harbour and down the lower landing along the jetty leading under the lighthouse. Deceased was eight or ten paces ahead of him, and he missed him. Called out “Tom, where are you?”, and receiving no answer went in search of him. Found him lying among the rocks under the lighthouse. Both of them were sober. Thought the deceased, in trying to step upon the transoms, missed his footing. It was dark, and low water.

The Coroner remarked that it was a curious thing for witness and deceased to go to such a place at that hour of night. What were they going to do?

Witness said they went for a ramble. Jumped down to deceased and found he had fallen six or seven feet and was lying on his back unconscious. Went immediately for assistance. Deceased was perfectly sober, and they were not larking or spreeing, and were on good terms and smoking their pipes.

John Kelway, an extra man in Her Majesty`s Customs said he was watchman at the harbour on the night in question, and corroborated the last witness. Went to his assistance and found deceased jammed in a hole between two rocks. Procured further assistance and deceased was got up and sent home. Deceased and Forbes were perfectly sober, and appeared to be on good terms.

Wilson Willis, the Company`s night-watchman corroborated.

Verdict “Accidental Death”.

Folkestone Express 3-1-1874

Monday, January 2nd: Before The Mayor, Col. De Crespigny, J. Tolputt, J. Gambrill and J. Clark Esqs.

William Court, father of the prisoner in the previous case, on bail, was charged with assaulting John Moulden Wilshere, Cheif Superintendent of Police.

Mr. Wilshere deposed: Last evening about seven o`clock I apprehended William Court, one of the prisoners in the last case, at his father`s house. There was no-one in the house at the time. On the road to the police station I had occasion to call at Mr. Pierson`s, baker, Dover Road, and on leaving there prisoner got hold of me and asked what I was going to do with the boy. I told him to go to the police station, when I would give him information. He then became very abusive, and followed me to the Harvey Hotel, where I took the boy for the purpose of identification, and he said I should not take him. I told him the boy was in my custody, and if he would go to the police station I would give him every information. I went into the Harvey Hotel, and asked Court to remain outside and meet me at the police station. I then put the boy in the parlour at the Harvey Hotel, and prisoner forced his way into the house and took hold of my collar and tried to throw me. I then asked Mr. Marsh, the landlord of the hotel, if I could speak to him privately. Prisoner forced his way in and tried to shut the door and we had a struggle; he afterwards became a little quieter. P.C. Keeler was outside, and I requested him to take Court to the police station. Shortly afterwards I went outside and saw prisoner scuffling with Keeler and we were obliged to handcuff him. P.C. Hogben came to our assistance and it took us all three to handcuff him.

By The Mayor: I shut the door when I went in the Harvey Hotel. I did not know the boy was Court`s son. Prisoner did not ask for any information, but said I should not take the boy. I took the boy to Marsh`s for the purpose of identification as I did not wish to take the wrong boy.

By prisoner: You took me by the collar. You did abuse me and handle me and said more than once that I should not take the boy.

By The Mayor: Prisoner said “What has the boy done?” and I told him he was in my custody, and if he would go to the police station he should have every information, but I could not tell him there.

P.C. Abraham Keeler deposed: About a quarter to seven last night I was called out by the Superintendent to go in search of the two prisoners in the last case. The Superintendent apprehended the boy Court himself, and as he was going along he went into Mr. Pierson`s shop and I remained outside. Prisoner followed him into the shop. When they came out prisoner asked the Superintendent what he was doing with the boy, and the Superintendent directed him to go to the police station, where he would give him information. The Superintendent then went across to the Harvey Hotel into the parlour, and prisoner followed him into the room. I was standing in the passage. When prisoner was following the Superintendent into the room he requested him to keep outside a little while, as he wanted to speak to Mr. Marsh privately. Prisoner said he should not go, but should be where his boy was. The Superintendent then closed the door and prisoner shoved against it and burst it open, and then caught hold of the Superintendent by the collar, and asked him what he was going to do with the boy. The Superintendent turned round and put prisoner out of the parlour into the passage. Prisoner forced the door open again and collared the Superintendent a second time. They then closed with each other and came out of the passage and the Superintendent requested me to take prisoner to the police station, and I asked him to come with me quietly, and he said he should not until the boy came out. I asked him a second time to go out, and, as he would not, I was obliged to put him out by force. When we got outside he swore he would not go to the police station with me or any other constable. We were obliged to handcuff him, and with the assistance of P.C. Hogben, he was taken to the station.

By prisoner: The Superintendent did not shove you out like a bull and try to throw you down. He did not rush at you when you collared him.

By The Mayor: Mr. Marsh was there the best part of the time.

The Mayor to the Superintendent: Did you ask Mr. Marsh to come here this morning?

The Superintendent: Yes, but he is not here.

Mr. Henson here stepped forward and said Mr. Marsh was obliged to be away on business in the country.

This was the case, and on prisoner being asked if he wished to call Mr. Marsh, he replied that he could not say whether Mr. Marsh saw him, and on being further asked if he wished the case to be adjourned, he said it might as well go on, and went on to say: All I can say is I was going past Pierson`s about a quarter to eight last night, when I saw the Superintendent and my lad. I went to his side and said “What is the matter?”, and he replied “The boy is in my custody”. If he had said he had been breaking into the church I would have said “Take him and let it be proved”. They went across to Marsh`s and I asked him again, and he shoved me out of the door and said “It`s no business of yours. Go out”. He then came to me with both hands and nearly shoved me down; he rushed at me like a bull. I will swear I never laid a hand on him. If he had said one word I should have been contented. I did not touch him till he did me. He asked me to hit him, but I knew better than that.

The Court was cleared for about twenty minutes, and on the re-admission of the public The Mayor said: Prisoner, you have been brought here on a very serious charge, which we are bound to take into consideration, and we are bound to uphold the police. At the same time the police should be strict as to what they do. We think the Superintendent erred in judgement in not at once telling you what he had got your son in custody for, but still that did not justify you in collaring the police. We have taken into consideration the provocation you have received. You have rendered yourself liable to a fine of £10, or six months hard labour, but taking into consideration the provocation you received in not being told what your son was in custody for, we only fine you 5s. and 5s. 6d. costs, or seven days` hard labour.

Prisoner: I will have seven days.

Prisoner was removed in custody, but a friend came forward and paid the money, and he was released.

Folkestone Chronicle 13-5-1876

Inquest

An inquest was held at the Harvey Hotel, on Monday evening last, before the Coroner, J. Minter Esq., on the body of James Williams, 56 years of age, who committed suicide by hanging himself. Dr. Mercer stated that deceased has for some time been suffering from disease of the brain, and he ordered that he should be watched. Arabella Ball, adopted daughter of the deceased, said deceased had had a good night`s rest, and when she took him his tea in the morning he asked for brandy and water which he would have at eleven o`clock as the doctor had ordered it. At a quarter past ten she went to his room again, when she found him lying on the bed with his legs on the ground, and a piece of cord round his neck, fastened to the top of the bedpost. Dr. Mercer was sent for. Lucy Jenkins deposed to Mrs. Williams and the last witness visiting her in great excitement and telling her what had happened. She took a knife, went upstairs, and cut him down. He was not quite dead, but expired about ten minutes afterwards. The jury returned a verdict that deceased had destroyed himself whilst in an unsound state of mind.

Folkestone Express 13-5-1876

On Monday morning last considerable excitement was created in Folkestone by a report being circulated to the effect that Mr. James Williams, confectioner and ginger beer manufacturer, of Fenchurch Street, had committed suicide. Upon enquiry it transpired that the report was but too true, the unfortunate man being discovered hanging to the bedpost. For some time he had been suffering from disease of the brain and a watch had been kept upon his actions, but on Monday morning he appears to have taken advantage of the temporary absence of his attendant and committed suicide.

An inquest was held the same night at the Harvey Inn, Dover Road, before Mr. Coroner Minter and a jury. The following evidence was adduced:

Mr. Richard Mercer said: I am a surgeon, practicing in Folkestone. I identify the body as being that of James Williams, of Fenchurch Street, confectioner. I have attended him occasionally since Christmas. He was suffering from disease of the brain. The family knew that; I cautioned them to watch him. This morning I was sent for and found him dead with the marks of the cord round his neck. Death, in my opinion, was carried by strangulation.

Arabella Ball said: I live at deceased`s house. Deceased went to bed at ten o`clock on Sunday night and had a very good night. This morning at nine o`clock I took him up a cup of tea, and he said he would have some brandy and water at eleven o`clock according to the doctor`s order. I went up again at a quarter past ten o`clock to ask him if he would have his brandy and water. I found him partly lying on the bed with his legs on the ground, and a piece of cord round his neck. The other end of the cord was fastened to the bedpost. I gave the alarm and then went for Mr. Mercer. Deceased was 56 years of age.

Lucy Jenkins: I am the wife of John Jenkins, mariner, and live in Fenchurch Street. At about ten o`clock this morning the last witness and Mrs. Williams came to me and asked me to go in. I went upstairs and took a knife. He was half lying and half sitting, and the cord was round his neck. I got over the bed and cut the rope. With assistance I placed him on the bed and took the rope off his neck. It had been tied thrice round his neck. He was not dead when placed upon the bed, but died in about ten minutes. I produce the rope.

The jury returned a verdict to the effect that the deceased committed suicide while in a state of unsound mind.

Folkestone Chronicle 22-7-1876

Inquest

An inquest was held on Monday evening at Marsh`s Harvey Hotel, on the body of John Pope, aged 84 years, who came to his death under the following distressing circumstances:- From the evidence of his daughter, Mrs. Wallace, it appears that deceased, who had been a mariner, had, with his bed-ridden wife, lived with her four years. He received support from the parish, which had been taken off. The principal burden of the support of her parents fell upon her, although she had four sons, one being a hall porter at Messrs. Rothschild`s, a second proprietor of pleasure boats, and a third a captain in the merchant service. She had applied to them for support and they had given a trifle on a few occasions. The eldest brother, who lives in North Street, had given nothing, but she had never asked him to contribute, although he knew that she wanted help. Her father had not been out since Christmas, and sometimes she sat up a whole night with him, and on Sunday she did not go to bed until two in the morning. Deceased got up three times to go to the Mayor to speak about the relief being stopped. The relief was disallowed the previous Thursday, and that had evidently distressed his mind. She found him lying in the back yard, with his feet doubled up nearly to his chin. She had fastened the door of the room. From signs made by his wife, who is paralysed and cannot speak, she learned that deceased had crawled to the window (a distance of 20 feet from the ground) and got out. He went out once before, and she put wedges in the windows to prevent him from doing so again. Iden Hall, a carpenter who lived nixt door, deposed to hearing a fall and finding deceased on the ground, and Dr. Mercer stated that death had resulted from concussion of the brain caused by the fall. The Coroner, in summing up, referred to the burden that had been borne by Mrs. Wallace in supporting her parents, which ought to have been shared by her brothers, who were apparently in a good position. The guardians had recently taken off relief from several, and thinking that the children were in a position to support their parents, they thought they should do so in this case. It had evidently affected the man`s mind, as he was imbued with the idea of going to the Mayor about it. He thought the proper thing would have been for them to have summoned the sons to support their father, and not thus suddenly to disallow the relief, to the distress of the old man`s mind. According to the suggestion of the Coroner the jury returned a verdict of Accidental Death, and gave the fees to which they were entitled to Mrs. Wallace as a mark of approval of the manner in which she had supported her aged parents.

Folkestone Express 22-7-1876

Inquest

Considerable excitement was caused in the town on Sunday by the report that a man named John Pope, who had attained the venerable age of 84 years, and resided with his daughter in Harvey Street, had by some means or other fallen out of his bedroom window, and received an injury to the brain which proved almost immediately fatal. The report unfortunately proved to be true. At first popular feeling was much excited by the belief that the poor old man had committed suicide because his parish relief had been stopped by the Board Of Guardians. This matter, it will be seen, was inquired into at the inquest, and the evidence seemed to show that though the old man`s mind had been much disturbed by this discontinuance of relief, his mental faculties had long ere this been in such a state as to cause much alarm to the widowed daughter who so affectionately tended him. The deceased, before old age laid him aside, was by occupation a mariner. He was one of the few remaining links connecting the present busy age with a generation long passed away. His boyhood and early manhood were spent when George III was King; he was 17 years old when the glorious news of Trafalgar arrived in England, and was yet in his early prime when Waterloo was fought.  Those who were pained by the first rumours attending his death will be glad to share in the humane view taken by the Coroner, and to think that the venerable old man, who had passed through so many vicissitudes and escaped so many perils by land and sea, did not at last hastily rush headlong into the presence of his Creator, but “in age and feebleness extreme” was gathered like a ripe seed into the everlasting garner. And very satisfactory it is to know that no painful question was raised as to whether the deceased should be denied the rites of a Christian burial, but that over the grave of the aged sailor “delivered from the burden of the flesh” have been uttered those words of ineffable beauty and comfort concerning the hope beyond the grave with which the church is wont to console bereaved and sorrow-stricken hearts.

The inquest was held on Monday evening at the Harvey Hotel, before John Minter Esq., Coroner and a jury.

The first witness was Charlotte Wallis, who deposed: I am a widow, living at No. 26, Harvey Street, and identify the body which the jury have just seen as that of my father, John Pope, who was 84 years of age and lived with me. He was formerly a mariner, and had lived with me for the last four years and upwards. His widow also lives with me. She was paralysed several years ago, and is utterly incapable of helping herself. For the last eighteen months the deceased had been in receipt of parish relief. He and his wife had 5s. a week allowed between them. Beyond that they had been principally supported by myself, with occasional assistance from my sister, Mrs. Nicholls, wife of a painter, and two of my brothers, one of whom is a porter in the employment of Messrs. Rothschild, and the other captain of a vessel. I have another brother, William Pope, who lives in Folkestone, and owns boats, but he had not contributed to his parents` support. With the exception of lucid intervals my father has been out of his mind since Christmas, and I have had on several occasions to sit up with him all night. On Saturday the deceased was very restless, and dressed himself three times, saying that he must go out to see Mr. Sherwood (the Mayor) respecting his relief having been stopped. Last Thursday it was that I sent my little girl for the relief and received a message that no more would be allowed. I told my mother and then my father. He said nothing about it until Saturday, when he dressed himself several times with the intention of going to see Mr. Sherwood. Between tow and three on Sunday morning, Mr. Ivan Hill called me up, and in consequence of what he said I went into the back yard and found my father lying in the yard. He was insensible and never opened his eyes. He was bent almost double. With the assistance of Mr. Hall I carried him in, and Mr. Mercer was sent for. My father slept in the same room as my mother, being on the second floor back. I had fastened the bedroom door as usual, to prevent my father coming out, and it was still fastened when Mr. Hill found him in the yard. On going into the bedroom I found the bottom sash open. My mother cannot speak so as to be understood by others, but by signs to me she indicated that he had gone to the window and got out, falling a distance of 20 ft. to the ground. In my opinion he fancied that he was going out to Mr. Sherwood`s. The deceased died at twenty five minutes past three on Sunday morning. On Good Friday he attempted to walk through the window and fell into the yard, but did not appear to have hurt himself much.

By a juryman: I think the withdrawal of the relief he had been in the habit of receiving had affected his mind.

The Coroner said the brothers ought to be ashamed of themselves for not rendering further assistance. (Hear, Hear)

Ivan Hill, a carpenter living at 14, Harvey Street, deposed: About half pat two on Sunday morning I heard groans proceeding, as I thought, from a room in the next house. About ten minutes before I had heard a noise, as of someone slamming a door. I went to my window and saw the deceased lying on the ground. I got up and called Mrs. Wallis, and went with her and we together carried the deceased into the house. I then went for Mr. Mercer.

Mr. Richard Mercer, a surgeon practicing in Folkestone, deposed: On Sunday morning I was called to 26, Harvey Street, and found the deceased lying on a sofa in the back room, suffering from very severe concussion of the brain which might have been cause by a fall similar to what I have heard described. I saw that he was dying, and his injuries were so serious that there were no means of assisting him. There was a slight wound on the top of the head. I have no doubt that his death was caused by concussion of the brain brought on by the fall from the window.

The Coroner, in summing up, said it seemed to be clear that the poor old man had at times an idea that he could walk anywhere, and on the Saturday before he died he dressed himself several times with the intention of going to the Mayor respecting his relief. The daughter, who, greatly to her credit, had supported her poor father and mother without that assistance which she ought to have had from her brothers, who, he durst say, were much better able to assist her, seemed to have taken every possible care of the old man which in her position was possible. She even took the precaution of fastening the window, but on the present occasion he managed to unfasten it and get out. It was supposed at first that the stoppage of his relief had so preyed upon his mind that the poor old man had committed suicide in consequence. But the evidence rather seemed to show that the deceased imagining, as was natural in his state of mind, that he could get through the window as easily as through the door, opened it, and falling to the ground came to his sad end. It was to be regretted perhaps that the relief had been stopped in the way it was, though even had this not occurred the old man might have determined on going out for something else. The jury and himself had nothing to do with the action of the Board Of Guardians, though they might have their own feelings as to the propriety of stopping the relief without first making the sons contribute to the support of the deceased. Still it was not for them to pass judgement on the action of the Guardians, as they had not all the materials before them, and the Board, it must be remembered, had a duty to perform to the ratepayers. Nevertheless he rather wondered why they did not summon the sons before stopping the relief. It was not to his mind a case of suicide at all, but one of accidental death.

The jury were of a similar opinion and returned a verdict accordingly.

Mr. Trevanion said the jury all agreed with the remarks the learned Coroner had made. They thought the Guardians should have made the sons contribute before discontinuing the old man`s relief.

The Foreman proposed that the jury should give their fees towards the expense of burying the old man, but others of the jury thought the sons ought not to be relieved of their natural and legal obligation. Most of the jury, however, the Foreman included, kindly gave their shillings to Mrs. Wallis, whose conduct they heartily commended.

Southeastern Gazette 24-7-1876
 
Inquest

On the evening of Monday last, the borough coroner, J. Minter, Esq., held an inquiry at the Harvey Inn, touching the death of John Pope.

It appears that deceased, who was in his 85th year, had for some time been in failing health, and was living at 16, Harvey Street, the residence of his daughter, Mrs. Wallace, who is a widow. He had been for the last 18 months in receipt of a parish allowance of 5s. per week for himself and wife (who is bedridden, and upwards of 30 years of age). On Thursday in last week, however, an intimation was given the poor old couple by the relieving officer that the allowance would be discontinued from that date by order of the Guardians. The old gentleman regarded this as a great hardship, and on Saturday several times attempted to dress himself to go to the Mayor respecting the matter. His daughter was unable to get him to bed till two o’clock on Sunday morning, when she fastened the window and door. Half an hour after he was found in the yard beneath the bedroom window. He was picked up, but expired an hour afterwards.

Dr. Mercer deposed that deceased died through concussion of the brain. It was shown in evidence that three sons of the deceased are in good circumstances, but have only occasionally assisted Mrs. Wallace in the maintenance of their parents.

The jury, who censured the conduct of the sons, returned a verdict of “Accidental death.”
 
Folkestone Express 26-5-1877

Tuesday, May 22nd: Before Captain Fletcher, J. Kelcey and R.W. Boarer Esqs.

George Hart, a tramp, was charged with being drunk and disorderly in Dover Road on the 21st of May, and with assaulting P.C. Keeler in the execution of his duty. The prisoner pleaded Guilty.

Mr. Marsh, the landlord of the Harvey Inn, stated that the prisoner was in his house on the previous evening, and as he was intoxicated he refused to serve him, but while witness`s back was turned his wife served him with some beer, and he tried to take the glass away from him. Prisoner conducted himself in a disorderly manner and witness called in P.C. Keeler, who took the prisoner into custody.

Mr. Tunbridge deposed that P.C. Keeler called upon him to assist him in removing the prisoner from the Harvey Hotel, and he did so. The prisoner was very violent and struggled with them, and once succeeded in throwing Keeler to the ground.

Superintendent Wilshere stated that when the prisoner was brought into the station, Keeler complained of a pain in his back, and he directed him to go home. Dr. Bateman had since seen him, and from examination found that he was suffering from a severe sprain in the back, caused by a fall.

The Bench fine the prisoner 5s. and 3s. 6d. costs for drunkenness, and for the assault upon the police sentenced him to fourteen days` hard labour.

Folkestone Chronicle 12-1-1878

Inquest

On Saturday evening an inquest was held at the Harvey Hotel by the Coroner (J. Minter), respecting the death of Robert Burley, a member of the Borough Police Force.

James Burley, K.C.C., deposed: I identify the body as that of my brother, Robert Burley. He was a member of the Folkestone Borough Police and was 21 years of age. I saw him on Thursday last at two o`clock. He was in bed, and told me that when he came off duty on Tuesday he went out with a friend, and remained with him until three or four o`clock in the morning, leaving him at the bottom of Dover Street. On going up Dover Street a little way he ran against two artillerymen, who turned round on him and gave him a thrashing, knocked his hat all to pieces and cut his head. He found blood was running down, and went to a friend`s house and knocked, but could not make anyone hear. He then hurried home to his lodgings, and on going up to the front door fell into the area. He remembered nothing more until he found himself in bed.

William Willis Cooper, landlord of the British Lion, deposed: On Thursday afternoon I went to see the deceased. From information I received I went and asked him if he had called at my house on Wednesday morning at 3-45, and he said “Yes”. I also asked him if he went to my mother`s house at 103, Dover Street, near Radnor Bridge, the same morning, and he replied “Yes”, but did not say what for. He pointed to he left eye, and said he had been knocked about by two soldiers.

Elizabeth Cooper deposed: I am a widow, living at 103, Dover Street. I knew the deceased, Robert Burley. On Wednesday morning, about 20 minutes past four, I was in bed and heard someone come to the door. He knocked with his fist and tried the latch. I got out of bed and opened the window. I said “Who`s there?”. He said “Oh, Mrs. Cooper, will you come down? I am nearly murdered”. I replied “I don`t know who you are. You had better go home. I know nothing of you”.  He said “Thank you” and left a few seconds afterwards.

Frank Martin deposed: On Wednesday last, about twenty minutes to five, I was in bed and was aroused by some groaning, and in consequence of that I looked out of the window, and afterwards went down and saw deceased lying in the area. I then called Mr. Woodlands and we took him up to bed. He was insensible. We sent for Dr. Mercer, and he came. There was a large scar on the left eyebrow. It was not bleeding. There was no blood on his face.

Mary Ann Hayward, living at No. 6, Queen Street, deposed: I saw two artillerymen on New Year`s Day in the Bellevue Tavern. They told me they had been out all night, and had strayed away from Dover. As they had no money, my friend and I treated them to a quart of beer. The short one said he did not mean soldiering. I saw them again on Wednesday morning in the Bellevue Tavern. Jarvis told me afterwards that outside the Raglan Tavern they knocked up against a policeman between three and four o`clock in the morning.

Dr. Richard Mercer deposed: I found deceased lying perfectly insensible. He had a small graze over the left eyebrow, which appeared to have been done some time, as the blood was quite dry. I saw him again at eleven o`clock, when he was quite conscious, but paralysed below the left breast. I examined him, and found a fracture of the spine between the shoulders. There were no other marks of violence about him. I asked him if he was perfectly sober at the time, and he said “No”. He had had a little more than was good for him. Deceased died yesterday morning, the 4th instant, the cause of death being fracture of the spine, which in my opinion was caused by the fall. Supposing he had received the injury in a fight with soldiers it would have been utterly impossible for him to have got home.

The Coroner summed up, and the Jury, after putting a few questions to the Superintendent of Police, returned a verdict of Accidental Death.

Folkestone Express 12-1-1878

Last week we reported that Robert Burley, a member of the Borough police force, was seriously injured through having fallen down into the area of the house where he lodged. The poor fellow died about eleven o`clock on Friday morning. From statements made by the deceased to his brother, it seemed that before he got home on Wednesday morning he had been ill-treated by two soldiers, and in consequence of this report a considerable amount of interest was felt in the affair.

An inquest was held on Saturday evening at the Harvey Hotel, by J. Minter Esq., the borough coroner, when the following evidence was taken:

James Burley, a police constable stationed at Lyminge, identified the body as that of his brother. He deposed: His age was 21 last birthday. I saw him on Thursday last, having come to Folkestone in consequence of hearing of his accident. I found him in bed, and I asked him to tell me how it happened. He told me that when he went off duty he changed his clothes and went out with a friend. He was with him until between three and four o`clock in the morning, and left him at the bottom of Dover Street. He went up the street a little way and “ran against” two artillerymen, and they turned round and “dropped into him” and gave him a good thrashing, knocked his hat all to pieces and cut his head or eye. He found blood was running down his face and he went to a friend`s house and knocked. Thinking he could not make anyone hear, he hurried home to his lodgings. Going up to the front door he kicked his left toe against the steps. He put his right foot out to try to save himself, and that slipped on the flag stones, in consequence of his boots having steel brads in them. That threw him round on his left side, and his back came on a low wall and pitched him over into the area. He remembered no more until he found himself in bed. He did not say if the soldiers followed him.

By a juror: I believe the soldiers recognised him as a policeman.

By the Coroner: I do not know if he meant to take them into custody.

The Coroner: From what I can learn, it appears that he thought they were two men absent without leave, and he might as well have the money for apprehending them.

William Wills Cooper, landlord of the British Lion, Bayle, said: On Thursday the 3rd, in the afternoon, I went and saw the deceased. Two men having come to my house on at 3.40 on the Wednesday morning, I asked the deceased if he was one of them and he said “Yes”. I also asked him if he went to my mother`s house in Dover Street, and he said he did. He did not say what he went for. He lifted his right arm and pointed to his left eye and said he had been knocked about by two soldiers.

Mrs. Elizabeth Cooper, a widow, living at 103, Dover Street, said: I knew the deceased, Robert Burley. On Wednesday morning, about twenty minutes past four o`clock, I was in bed. I heard someone come to the door and knock with their fist, and then try the latch. I opened the window and saw a man and asked “Who`s there?” A voice replied “Oh, Mrs. Cooper, will you come down? I am nearly murdered”. I said “I don`t know who you are; you had better go home”. I could not see who it was. He said “Thank you”, and left a few minutes after. I did not know who it was, nor do I now, except from what my son has told me. The man appeared to be sober, as far as I could judge.

Frank Martin, a waiter, living at 28, Harvey Street, said: About twenty minutes or a quarter to five on Wednesday morning last I was in bed and was aroused by hearing someone groaning. I got up, went down to the front door, and looked over into the area, and there saw the deceased. He was lying on his left side, with his arm underneath him, and his hat was about a foot and a half from his head. He was insensible. I called the assistance of my father-in-law and we got deceased into the passage. We sent for Dr. Mercer, and afterwards put deceased to bed. There was a slight scar on his left eyebrow but there was no blood on his face or any part of him that I could see.

Mary Ann Hayward, a single woman, living at 6, Queen Street, said: On New Year`s Day I saw two artillerymen in the Belle Vue Inn. They told me they had been out all night, and strayed away from Dover. I told them if they did not go back they would be taken into custody. I and a friend treated them to beer, and bread and cheese, as they had no money. The short one, Jarvis, said he did not mean soldiering. They left me at half past eight on Tuesday night, when I gave them twopence to go home with. I saw them again on Wednesday morning in the Belle Vue Inn. They bid me good morning. I asked them why they did not go home, and they said they met the picquet out marching, and if they had gone further they would have been taken in. Jarvis said they were at the Raglan about half past eleven, and that they had knocked up against a policeman about three or four o`clock in the morning. The tall soldier pushed Jarvis, and motioned him to say nothing, and Jarvis laughed. They told me they were hungry and we got them some bread and cheese. About an hour afterwards I hear that a policeman had been ill-used. I asked Jarvis what he had been up to, and he got up and laughed and they both went out. One of them had told me previously that he meant murdering someone. He had had six months imprisonment and did not mean soldiering. He also said he had just had a fortnight`s confinement.

Mr. Richard Mercer, surgeon, said: On Wednesday morning between six and seven o`clock I was called to deceased in Harvey Road. I found him lying in the passage of the house, perfectly insensible. He had a small graze over the left eyebrow, which appeared to have been done some little time, as the blood was quite dry. I assisted to carry him to bed and saw him again at eleven o`clock, when he was quite conscious, but paralysed below the breast. I examined him and found a fracture of the spine between the shoulders. There were no other marks of violence whatever – no bruises or cuts. I asked the deceased how it occurred, and he said he had been spending the evening with some friends and came home about four in the morning. When he got on the doorstep his foot slipped and he fell over the wall into the area. I asked him if he was perfectly sober at the time, and he said “No, I had a little more than was good for me”. In consequence of the reports about deceased having been knocked about by soldiers I have today and yesterday again examined the body, and there are no marks of violence other than those I have described. He died yesterday morning, the cause of death being the fracture of the spine, which in my opinion was caused by the fall. Deceased knew the critical state he was in, as I told him he was mortally injured, and he made the statement to me after I had so informed him. It would have been utterly impossible for him to have got home if he had received the injury at the hands of the soldiers.

Superintendent Wilshere, who was called by request of a juryman, said no report was made to him of the constable having been attacked by soldiers, and he only heard of it accidentally. It was quite probable that he attempted to take the two men into custody as deserters. He would be doing his duty if he did so.

The Coroner said that although at first it seemed that deceased had been ill-treated, the evidence of Dr. Mercer showed that such ill-usage was not serious and did not in any way contribute to his death. Had the soldiers followed him, and had he fallen in endeavouring to escape from them, it would then have been a question whether they would not be liable to a charge of manslaughter.

The jury at once returned a verdict of “Accidental Death”.

It having been stated that the deceased, out of his very moderate pay, contributed towards the support of his parents, the jurymen gave their fees to be transmitted to the old couple.

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