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Saturday 19 January 2013

Wellington, Beach Street 1893 - 1940

Wellington, 1927. (To the right is the rear entrance to The Chequers) Credit Folkestone Library

Wellington, 1913
 

Aftermath of a parachute mine which exploded over Beach Street on 18th November, 1940. The Wellington, which had already closed for the duration, suffered severe blast damage, as can be seen in this photo. It never re-opened and was eventually demolished in 1955

 

 

Licensees

Charles Gatley 1893 1896
William Woodgate 1896 1901
John Marsh 1901 1906 To Alexandra Tavern
Charles Skinner 1906 1916 From Tramway Tavern
John Salmon 1916 1921
Lily Salmon 1921 1928
James Salmon 1928 1939
Victor Whyman 1939 1940




Folkestone Express 9-6-1894

Monday, June 4th: Before The Mayor, Alderman Pledge, and J. Fitness Esq.

John Rackley was charged with stealing a rabbit and two fowls, the property of Mr. Quested, of Coolinge.

P.C. Gardner said on Saturday last, from information received, he went to the Wellington beershop, at the bottom of Dover Street, at ten minutes past one. He saw prisoner there with a basket containing a live rabbit and a dead fowl, the latter plucked. He asked prisoner where he got them from. He replied “Where do you think? I bought them”. He charged prisoner with stealing them, and prisoner replied “All right”.

Edward Quested, landlord of the Shorncliffe Inn, said he kept fowls and rabbits at the back of his premises. He locked the yard up as usual about nine o`clock on Friday night, and on Saturday morning he missed a rabbit and two pullets. He gave information to the police. The fowl produced was the same breed as those he lost. The rabbit was a remarkable one – it had a “butterfly nose”, and he had no doubt whatever that it was his property. He valued it at 5s., and the chickens at 2s. 6d.

Prisoner pleaded Guilty to being in possession of the goods, bus said he received them from another man, but did not know his name. He gave 3s. for the chicken and rabbit.

P.C. Gardner said 2s. were found on prisoner and his discharge papers.

Prisoner was sentenced to one month`s hard labour.

Folkestone Herald 9-6-1894

John Rackley, aged 29, and of no settled abode, and formerly an Artillery soldier, was charged before the Folkestone Justices on Monday with stealing two chickens and a tame rabbit, altogether worth 11s., the property of Edward Quested, of the Shorncliffe Inn, Coolinge Road, on the night of the 1st inst.

He was sentenced to a month`s hard labour.

The man, who was apprehended at the Wellington public house by P.C. Gardner, is to be charged with rabbit stealing in the county when his sentence expires.

Folkestone Visitors` List 24-4-1895

Police Court Jottings

Before Capt. Carter on Saturday, James Cannon was charged with creating a disturbance at the Wellington beerhouse, and refusing to quit. He was ultimately ejected by force, and then he broke a window.

The prosecutor stated that the defendant “deliberately put his fist through the glass”.

The defendant denied this, and stated that he fell against the window when he was put out of the house.

The Bench thought, however, that the case was sufficiently proved against the defendant, who was fined 5s., with 5s. 6d. costs, and ardered to pay the damage, 9s. 6d., or go to gaol for fourteen days.

Folkestone Chronicle 26-4-1895

Local News

At the Borough Police Court on Saturday an old offender named James Cannon was brought up in custody, charged with damaging property of the value of 9s., at the Wellington beerhouse.

Evidence was given showing that prisoner was turned out of the above house on the previous evening, and that he retaliated by breaking a couple of panes of glass in the door window.

A witness named Frederick Saunders corroborated the prosecutor`s evidence, and prisoner was sent to gaol for 14 days with hard labour.
 
Folkestone Herald 27-4-1895

Police Court Record

On Saturday last James Cannan appeared before the Borough Magistrates charged with wilfully breaking two squares of glass, value 9s. 6d., the property of Mr. C.E. Gatley, landlord of the Wellington public house, in Beach Street.

It seems that the defendant went into the public house, and, as he did not order anything, was told to leave. As he would not go, the landlord put him out. He returned, and being again ejected, he broke two panes of glass in the door with his fist.

Defendant said he slipped outside the door.

He was fined 20s. including costs, and value of the glass.

Folkestone Chronicle 23-1-1897

Inquest

An inquest was held at the Town Hall, Folkestone, on Tuesday, by Mr. J. Minter, Borough Coroner, touching the death of Jakob Johannson, a Swede, able seaman of the brig Charity, of West Hartlepool, then lying in Folkestone harbour.

Franz Lammonns, ordinary seaman on the Charity, stated that deceased was a single man, aged 24, a native of north Sweden. The ship came into Folkestone harbour on Sunday with coals, which they started discharging on Wednesday. Deceased, in a sober condition, went ashore about six o`clock, and witness about half past seven. Witness saw him in the Wellington public house about eight o`clock. They left at nine o`clock, went and had some fried fish, returned in about quarter of an hour to the public house, and remained until about ten minutes to eleven. They had been drinking. Deceased drank enough to make him tipsy. Witness was drunk too, but he knew what he was about. They had some more drink at the Royal George after they left the Wellington, and left the Royal George with three soldiers who were “a bit drunk”. He and deceased accompanied the soldiers up High Street, and then returned to go on board. The brig was in the inner harbour, near the Clock House. Johannson let him by the corner of the Pavilion Hotel, and witness went on board. There had been no quarrelling.

Frederick Goodsell, a coastguardsmen stationed at Sandgate, said that on the previous night he was on duty at Folkestone. He came into Folkestone at 12 o`clock, and on arriving abreast of the Marine Crescent he observed deceased on the pavement lying on his back. On going to him, witness found he was unconscious, but breathing. He had a wound on the back of the neck. He got him into as comfortable position as possible and sent for the police. There was a spot of blood on the pavement, and he was bleeding slightly from the nose and mouth. The police arrived very promptly, and a doctor was sent for. They conveyed the deceased on a hand truck to the Rocket House. Just as they got to the House a constable returned and said Dr. Eastes suggested he should be conveyed to the hospital. As they got deceased near the fire he thought he breathed his last. Dr. Yunge Bateman was then sent for.

The Superintendent stated that Dr. Frederick Eastes was in a very bad state of health, and he was not fit to come out at night.

Dr. Marcus Yunge Bateman said he was called at 1 a.m. that morning to deceased at the Rocket House. He had been dead then a very short time. On examining the body he found a small punctured wound at the back of the head, probably caused by falling backwards on a pebble on the pavement. He noticed a good deal of blood oozing from the nose and mouth, and from the appearances he came to the conclusion that death was caused by suffocation from the blood running into the lungs. The blood was caused by fracture at the base of the skull. There were no other marks or bruises on the body.

P.C. Sales said that he saw the deceased at 10.45 on the previous evening in Tontine Street, by himself, drunk. He next saw him about ten minutes past eleven, in company with the first witness and three soldiers of the 11th Hussars. They went up Tontine Street. He saw him again at 11.25 near the Royal George, going in the direction of the harbour. He appeared then rather more the worse for drink. He was accompanied by the first witness, who was not so drunk as the deceased. Both appeared very jovial.

The Superintendent said he had made enquiries but could find out nothing. It was not proposed to make any  further enquiries in view of the doctor`s evidence.

The jury brought in a verdict that deceased died from suffocation, the effects of a fracture of the skull, but that there was no evidence to show how the fall occurred.


Folkestone Express 23-1-1897

Inquest

On Thursday afternoon, J. Minter Esq., the Borough Coroner, held an inquest on the body of Jakob Johannson, a Swede or Norwegain, an able seaman on board the brig Charity, of West Hartlepool.

Franz Lammons, a shipmate, said on Wednesday the deceased went ashore about six o`clock, and witness followed about 7.30. Deceased was alright. He saw him afterwards in the Wellington. They left there about nine to have some fried fish, and returned and stayed till ten minutes to eleven. They drank beer, and both got drunk, but witness knew what he was about. They had some more beer at the Royal George after they had left the Wellington. They left there with three soldiers who were “a bit drunk”. He and deceased walked up High Street, and returned to go on board ship. They got as far as the Pavilion Hotel. Witness went on board, but deceased did not. There had been no quarrelling.

Frederick Goodsell, a coastguard, said he and others found the deceased lying on his back in Lower Sandgate Road on the pavement in front of Marine Crescent. He was unconscious, and had a wound on the back of his head. They sent for the police. There was a spot of blood on the pavement as large as a crown piece. They removed the deceased to the rocket apparatus house and sent for a doctor, but witness believed he died just as they got him into the house.

Dr. Yunge Bateman said he saw the deceased at one o`clock that morning at the rocket house. He examined him and found he had been dead a short time. There was a small punctured wound at the back of the head, probably caused by falling on a pebble or other hard surface. There was a good deal of blood oozing from the mouth and nose, and he came to the conclusion that death was due to fracture of the base of the skull, and blood running into the lungs causing suffocation.

The jury returned a verdict of death from a fracture of the skull, caused by a fall, but there was no evidence to show how the fall occurred.

Folkestone Herald 23-1-1897

Local News

On Thursday an inquest was held by the Borough Coroner (Mr. J. Minter) on the death of Jacob Johannson, an able seaman on the brig Charity, of West Hartlepool.

From the evidence it appeared that on Wednesday evening the deceased and a shipmate got drunk, the latter went on board, but the deceased did not. He was afterwards found lying on his back on the pavement in Marine Crescent. The medical evidence showed that death was due to fracture of the skull, and blood running into the lungs, causing suffocation.

The jury returned a verdict accordingly, adding that there was nothing to show what caused the fall.

Folkestone Visitors` List 27-1-1897

Inquest

At the Coroner`s Court, on Thursday afternoon, there was no evidence to show how the Norwegian seaman Jakob Johannson met with the fall which caused his death on that morning. The deceased, with his shipmates, left off work on Wednesday afternoon about half past four o`clock, and at six o`clock the deceased went ashore. An hour and a half later he was joined by one of his shipfellows, named Franz Lammofrans, and both had been drinking together from the time they met until they had expended something like a florin apiece. They left the particular house at which they had been partaking of “refreshments” and went to an eating-house, where they partook of “fried fish and potatoes”, but were absent for about twenty minutes only, and had some more beer on their return.

The deceased, Lammofrans stated, was “tipsy”, but “knew what he was about”, and witness himself added that he had drank “about enough to make him drunk”, considering no doubt what he had expended. But at about “ten to eleven” they had another pint at another public house, and left there in the company of three soldiers, who were also “a bit in drink”. They “all five” went up High Street, at the top corner of which street deceased and witness returned back with the intention of “going aboard”. They got as far as the Royal Pavilion Hotel when the deceased suggested that they should go along the Lower Sandgate Road, but Lammofrans “turned in”, and Johannson went his way.

There had been no quarrelling in the course of the evening, but the two sailors and the three soldiers were on the “best of terms”, and this was corroborated by P.C. Sales, who saw the men both before and after the “closing hour”, when they were very jovial, the deceased being particularly so.

Frederick Goodsell, of the Coastguards, stationed at Sandgate, stated that he with another coastguardsman were coming from Sandgate for duty at the Fish Market at “the hour of twelve” when the found a man lying across the footpath opposite Marine Crescent. The man was insensible, and there was a spot of blood on the pathway. The man was breathing, but was bleeding from the nose and mouth. A policeman was sent for, and in the meantime the man was lifted up in a sitting posture. The constable arrived in a very short time, and a doctor was next sent for.

While the doctor was being sent for, the man was removed in a hand truck to the rocket house, but by the time he had arrived there he had “breathed his last”. The doctor first called was himself ill, and suggested the man`s removal to the Victoria Hospital, and, this being so, Dr. Yunge Bateman was called, who attended instantly.

Dr. Yunge Bateman saw the deceased about one o`clock on Thursday morning. The man was then dead, but the body was still warm. He examined it, and found a small punctured wound on the back of the head, probably caused by falling on a pebble or hard substance on the pavement. The base of the skull had been fractured, and he came to the conclusion that death was due to suffocation by blood running into the lungs. There was every appearance of death having been due to suffocation.

The Coroner having summed up the evidence, the jury returned a verdict to the effect that death was due to a fracture of the skull caused by a fall, but that there was no evidence to show whether the fall was accidental or whether some person unknown had pushed him down.

Folkestone Express 23-10-1897

Local News

On Friday, before the Mayor and J. Brook Esq., James Coombes was charged with being drunk and disorderly on the 14th October outside the Wellington public house. Prisoner, who had only been discharged from Canterbury gaol on the 6th inst., was fined 5s., and 4s. 6d. costs, or in default seven days`.

Folkestone Herald 18-3-1899

Folkestone Police Court

On Saturday Michael Mannix, a soldier, who had been summoned under the name of Sarsfield, was charged with being found drunk on licensed premises, in the occupation of William Woodgate, on the 8th March.

P.S. Lilley deposed that about 25 past eight on the evening of the previous Wednesday, whilst in company with P.C. Watson in Dover Street, he saw the defendant, accompanied by another soldier, come down Dover Street. The defendant was very drunk. His cap was off. He could not keep upright, and had a narrow escape of going through Mr. Iverson`s shop windows. They both turned round. He went into the Wellington. After waiting four or five minutes, witness went inside in a small bar. He had some difficulty in opening the door. When he had got in, the defendant`s companion was holding him up. There were three glasses on the bar counter. Two contained ale, about half consumed. As he was speaking to the barmaid, the defendant took one glass up and drank the remainder. He was so drunk that he could scarcely stand in the bar. Witness called the barmaid`s attention to it. She said she was aware of his condition now, but was not when defendant came in. Ultimately they left the premises. He followed them up High Street. He went to find the military provost. It was half past eight when he went in.

The Bench fined defendant 2s. 6d., 9s. costs, or 7 days` hard labour.

Folkestone Up To Date 18-3-1899

Saturday, March 11th: before J. Fitness Esq., Col. Hamilton, W. Wightwick, and C.J. Pursey Esqs.

A soldier named Michael Mannix was summoned for being drunk on licensed premises on the previous Wednesday.

The defendant, when accosted by the police at the time of the alleged offence, gave the name of Sarsfield.

Police Sergeant Lilley deposed: About 8.25 p.m. on Wednesday last I saw the defendant, with another soldier, come down Dover Street. The defendant was very drunk, so drunk that he nearly fell through Mr. Iverson`s shop window. Afterwards he went into the Wellington, and drank off the contents of a glass which was lying on the table.

The defendant was fined 2s. 6d. and 9s. costs, in default seven days` hard labour.
 
Folkestone Chronicle 25-3-1899

Local News

Before the Folkestone Bench on Thursday, William Woodgate, landlord of The Wellington Hotel, was summoned for selling liquor to a person who was drunk.

Sergeant Lilley said on Wednesday, the 8th March, at 8.25 p.m., he was in Dover Street, and saw two soldiers come down the street. One was “obviously” drunk, and rolling about. They both went into the Wellington public house in Beach Street. Witness and P.C. Watson went in there, and saw the two soldiers in a small side bar, one holding the other up. There were three glasses on the counter, two containing ale. No-one was in the bar besides the two men. He asked the barmaid who served the men, and she replied “I did”. He asked if she saw the condition of one of them, and she replied “Yes, but I did not notice it when he came in”. He took the names and addresses of the soldiers. The one who was drunk gave the name of William Saron, and while he was doing so he drank the remainder of the ale. He asked the barmaid to call the landlady, and she went upstairs and called a person named Mrs. Blake, who assisted the defendant in the house. Mrs. Blake asked the barmaid who served them, and she replied “I did”. Witness left the premises, and the soldiers went shortly after. He afterwards found out that the soldier`s name was Michael Mannix.

In reply to Mr. Minter, witness said the soldier who was drunk was not interfering with anybody, and they did not take people into custody for simple drunkenness.

Mr. Minter: Why didn`t you go and tell the people not to serve the soldier? – It is not my business to run a public house. I expected to be called in to expel him. I saw the woman come out of the house, but I didn`t know who she was. I should not be at all surprised to hear that the man walked home to the Camp and passed the roll call as sober.

P.C. Watson gave corroborative evidence.

Mr. Minter said the landlord had not the slightest desire to break the law. He had always conducted his house in a proper manner, and there had been no complaint against him. Assuming that what the policeman said was true, there was no offence on the part of the landlord, because the barmaid said she did not notice the condition of the soldier. It was not because a mistake had been made that the landlord was to be convicted. He thought when the Bench heard his witnesses` evidence they would come to the conclusion that the constables were not telling the real truth. It was very strange to him that when the constables saw the drunken man go into the house they did not go in and warn the landlord of the man`s condition. Instead they waited outside four minutes. The reason why was clear. The sober soldier went in first. The drunken one followed. The sober man called for two glasses of beer, and at that moment there was no second soldier in the house. There was no offence in serving a soldier who was sober. The barmaid would deny that she said in reply to Sergeant Lilley that she served the drunken man. On all the facts he asked the Bench to say there had been no offence committed.

Rebecca Barmers said she had been barmaid at the Wellington five weeks. When the soldier came in, the other side of the bar was full of working people. The soldier entered alone, and asked for two glasses of beer. At that time the other soldier had not come in. There was a woman in the little bar, and as she behaved in an improper manner witness opened the door and put her out. As she did so, the two policemen faced her. She did not see the second soldier come in, as she turned to serve two pots of beer. Then she saw the two soldiers now in court. When the policemen entered, Sergt. Lilley took the soldiers` names and asked if she served them with drink. She replied that she served the sober one. At that time the drunken one had not touched his glass. She fetched the landlady down. She did not tell the sergeant she had not served the drunken man. It was a very small bar, and two men were sitting down. After the sergeant had taken the man`s name he said “If you call me drunk, I`ll ---- well drink some to make me drunk”. Her orders were distinctly not to serve drunken people.

William McDermott, a driver in the R.A., corroborated what the barmaid had said. Mannix did not go in with him because his hat blew off, and he stayed to get it. Mannix then came in and sat down. There was a woman in the bar, who was turned out by the barmaid. It was not true that he was holding Mannix up. They both went home to barracks all right. Witness reached the barracks about 11.

Mr. Bradley said the whole question turned upon the fact whether the drunken man was in the bar or not when the beer was ordered.

Mr. Minter: Exactly, and the witness swears he wasn`t. Lilley tells you that.

Chairman of Magistrates: We give you the benefit of the doubt. The case is dismissed.

Folkestone Herald 25-3-1899

Folkestone Police Court

William Woodgate, landlord of the Wellington public house, Beach Street, was summoned for unlawfully selling intoxicating liquor to an intoxicated person. He pleaded Not Guilty. Mr. Minter represented the defendant.

P.S. Lilley deposed that on Wednesday, the 8th inst., about 8.25 p.m., he was in Dover Street, in company with P.C. Watson. He saw two soldiers come down the street; one was drunk. He was rolling about all over the street, and was obviously drunk. They both went into the Wellington public house in Beach Street. Witness waited about three or four minutes. Accompanied by the police constable he went in. In a small side bar he saw the two soldiers, one of whom was holding the other up. There were three glasses on the counter, two containing a quantity of ale. No-one was in the bar besides these two men. Witness said to a barmaid “Who served this man?” She said “I did”. Witness said “You see this one`s condition?” She said “Yes, but I did not notice it when he came in”. Witness took the names and addresses of the soldier. The one who was drunk gave the name of William Sarsfield, and whilst doing so he took up some ale. He consumed the portion remaining in the glass. He asked the barmaid for the landlady, being under the impression that the licence was held by a woman. She went upstairs and returned with a woman named Mrs. Blake. Witness said “You see this man`s condition?” She said “Yes”, and turning to the barmaid, she said “Who served them?” The barmaid answered “I did”. Witness then told her she would be reported for selling intoxicating liquor to a drunken person. He left the premises, and the soldiers followed soon after. He afterwards found out that the drunken man`s name was Michael Mannix.

Cross-examined: The soldier in court was the sober one. The drunken soldier nearly fell into Mr. Iverson`s window. The soldier was not interfering with anyone; he was simply drunk, creating no disturbance. Witness was out of sight of the public house. He, however, watched them go in. He did not interfere, because he did not consider it part of his business to conduct a public house. He expected to be called in to expel the soldier. He saw a woman come out. As to Mannix passing the military authorities, he said he did not take much notice of it.

P.C. Edward Robert Watson deposed that at 8.25 on Wednesday evening, 8th inst., he was in Dover Street, in company with P.S. Lilley. He saw two soldiers coming down there. One of them was very drunk, rolling about all over the place. They both went into the Wellington. A few minuts afterwards he went, with P.S. Lilley, to the small bar of the Wellington. He there saw the two soldiers. The sober one was holding up the drunken one. There were three glasses on the counter, two the contents of which were partly consumed, and one empty. P.S. Lilley asked the barmaid if she had served the drunken man. She said “Yes. I did not notice his condition until after he was served”. The barmaid said “I will go and fetch the landlady”. She brought a woman, who asked the barmaid if she had served the soldier. She said “Yes”. P.S. Lilley then told the woman she would be reported for serving a drunken soldier.

Cross-examined: The question put was “Did you serve that drunken soldier?” and that was repeated.

Mr. Minter said the landlord had not the slightest desire, never had had, to break the law with regard to the conditions under which he held his licence. He had always conducted his house in a proper manner, and in this instance, if what the police constable had said was true, there was no case to convict the landlord of the offence with which he was charged. It was not because – although he was going to deny it if necessary – his barmaid had made a mistake, that he was to be convicted of an offence never intended to be committed. They contended the girl said that she had supplied this drunken soldier, but did not observe his condition. If that was true, there was no offence.

The Clerk to the Justices (Mr. H.B. Bradley) said that the word “knowingly” was omitted from that section.

Mr. Minter said it was not intended a person should be convicted who served someone by mistake. He considered that there was no case here, supposing what the police constable said was true. He was in hopes that the Bench would at once say that was the view they took. It was an unpleasant duty for him to attack the veracity of the police. He was satisfied that the Bench would not accept the statement of the police if it was contradicted by credible witnesses, whom they could trust. The witnesses he would call were equally entitled to belief as Sergeant Lilley and the other policeman. It seemed to him to be a most extraordinary thing that a police constable, who saw a soldier coming down the street, did not prevent him from going into the public house, or follow him at once. One would have thought that would have been the duty of a police constable, seeing such a drunken man coming into the place. But he did nothing of the kind. He waited out there four minutes before he went in. He left the Bench to draw the inference as to why. To an ordinary person, the inference was perfectly plain. When the speaker cautioned him, he told the truth. The speaker asked him whether the sober one went in first. He admitted that. The speaker would show the Bench that independent of anything else, there was no offence committed by the landlord through the barmaid. The sober soldier went into the house, and there was a girl in the bar as well. He called for two glasses of beer and at the same time he ordered those two glasses the other man, the drunken soldier, was not in the house. There was no offence. She executed the order of the sober man. It was true that the other man came in afterwards. Then the police followed and complained about beer being supplied. The barmaid would tell the Bench that she was never asked whether she supplied the drunken soldier, and the landlady would inform them it was untrue that the girl said that she supplied this drunken soldier with the beer. The girl said she supplied the sober soldier with two glasses of beer, and the drunken soldier was in the house. That was confirmed by P.S. Lilley, who said that the drunken man did not go in until afterwards. There was no offence. Looking at the case as it stood, he asked the Bench to say, considering the character of the house, that there had been no offence committed, and that the landlord was entitled to the dismissal of the summons.

Rebecca Palmer, barmaid, deposed that on the occasion in question there were other people on the other side of the bar; it was full. McDermott, the sober soldier, came first in the little bar. She was busy. The soldier came in alone. He said “Two glasses of beer, please”. She drew it and put it on the counter. He paid her for it. The other soldier had not come in; she was sure of it. There was a woman in the little bar. On account of her conduct witness opened the door and put her out. The two policemen faced her. When she saw the drunken soldier, he was sitting down on a seat. She had not served him; she served McDermott. Both the policemen came in, and P.S. Lilley took their names. After that he asked witness if she had served this man with drink. She said “Yes I did. I served this man with two glasses”. The Sergeant was talking to the drunken soldier, who had not touched the glass. He had not had the chance. He said “Where is the landlady or the landlord?” The landlady was called. She did not notice that the so-called drunken man was drunk. There was no room for the man to stumble. He had been sitting down. After the Sergeant took his name, he said “Well, if you call me drunk, I will drink more to make me drunk”, and he drank the beer. Before, he had not touched it.

Driver McDermott, Royal Artillery, deposed that on the day in question he went into the public house first. Mannix`s hat fell off, and he stayed outside to pick it up. Witness ordered two glasses of beer, and when he did so Mannix was not in the house. Witness paid for the beer. Mannix came in and sat on a seat. He saw the barmaid turn a woman out. The beer had not been touched. The police came in four or five minutes after they had been in. He asked the young woman if he was sober, and she said “Yes”. He told the policeman that he paid for the beer. She said “I served you. I did not know that he was behind”. It was untrue that witness held his comrade up because he was so helplessly drunk he could not stand. He had been with Mannix all the evening, but the latter had not had more than he. (Mr. Minter: You had a stronger head than he had”. Laughter) Mannix came and answered his name as a sober man. Witness reached the barracks about 11 o`clock. The barmaid had no means of knowing who the beer was for.

The Chairman said the Bench gave defendant the benefit of the doubt, and they dismissed the case.
 
Folkestone Up To Date 25-3-1899

Wednesday, March 22nd: Before J. Hoad Esq., Col. Westropp, T.J. Vaughan, W. Medhurst, and J. Stainer Esq.

William Woodgate, landlord of the Wellington, Beach Street, was summoned for a breach of the Licensing Act, by serving a drunken soldier with drink at his house on the 8th inst. Mr. Minter appeared for the defendant, who pleaded Not Guilty.

Police Sergeant Lilley said: On Wednesday, the 8th inst., I saw two soldiers near the Wellington, Beach Street. They were obviously drunk. They both went into that house. I company with a police constable, I followed. At a small side bar I discovered two soldiers, one of whom was holding the other up. There were three glasses on the counter, and a quantity of ale. I said to a woman in attendance “Do you see this man`s condition?” I took the name and address of the soldiers. The one who was drunk gave the name of William Sarsfield. I asked the barmaid the name of the landlady. When I saw the landlady I said “Do you see this man`s condition?” She said “Yes”, and turning to the barmaid asked who served them. The barmaid replied “I did”. I said I should report the case. I left the premises, and the soldiers followed soon afterwards. Sarsfield`s real name is Michael Mannix.

By Mr. Minter: I did not take the soldiers into custody, because we do not lock men up simply for being drunk. Soldiers do not take soldiers into custody for public offences; only policemen do so.

Police Constable 4 deposed to being on duty in Dover Street in company with Sergeant Lilley, and seeing two soldiers in the Wellington public house. One soldier was sober and was holding the other up.

Mr. Minter stated that the landlord had no desire to break the conditions under which he held his licence. When he called his witnesses it would be seen that there was sufficient discrepancy in the evidence to justify the Court in dismissing the defendant. The barmaid said that she had only served the sober man with beer while the drunken man was outside looking after his cap.

The barmaid said: I have been engaged at the defendant`s house about five weeks. When the soldiers came in I only served the sober one. A woman, who had come into the house, behaved in an improper manner, and while I was turning her out I found myself faced by the policemen. I only saw the drunken soldier sitting down. I did not know he was inside when I served the sober soldier. When Sergeant Lilley came in he took the names and numbers of the two soldiers. The drunken soldier had not touched the glasses of beer. He had not had a chance. I did not know that either of the soldiers was drunk. Our orders are not to serve drunken people.

A driver in the Royal Artillery deposed: On the night in question I went into the defendant`s public house with Mannix, who sat down on a seat. A woman came in, behaved improperly to one of us, and was turned out. It is not true that my companion was so drunk that he could not stand. He afterwards went to the barracks, and passed in as a sober man. The girl did not know who the beer was for when she served it. The second glass was for my mate, but she did not know that.

The Court gave the defendant the benefit of the doubt, and dismissed the case.

Folkestone Express 29-3-1899

Wednesday, March 22nd: Before J. Hoad, T.J. Vaughan, W. Medhurst and J. Stainer Esqs., and Col. Westropp.

William Woodgate was summoned for selling to a person who was drunk.

Sergt. Lilley said on Wednesday, the 8th March, at 8.25 p.m., he was in Dover Street and saw two soldiers come down the street. One was “obviously” drunk and rolling about. They both went into the Wellington public house in Beach Street. Witness and P.C. Watson went in there and saw the two soldiers in a small side bar, one holding the other up. There were three glasses on the counter, two containing ale. No-one was in the bar besides the two men. He asked the barmaid who served the men, and she replied “I did”. He asked if she saw the condition of one of them, and she said “Yes, but I did not notice it when he came in”. He took the names and addresses of the soldiers. The one who was drunk gave the name of William Saron, and while he was doing so he drank the remainder of the ale. He asked the barmaid to call the landlady, and she went upstairs and called a person named Mrs. Blake, who assisted the defendant in the house. Mrs. Blake asked the barmaid who served them, and she replied “I did”. Witness left the premises, and the soldiers left shortly after. He afterwards found out that the soldier`s name was Michael Mannix.

In reply to Mr. Minter, witness said the soldier who was drunk was not interfering with anybody, and they did not take people into custody for simple drunkenness.

Mr. Minter: Why didn`t you go and tell the people not to serve the soldier? – It is not my business to run a public house. I expected to be called in to expel him. I saw the woman come out of the house, but I didn`t know who she was. I should not be at all surprised to hear that the man walked home to the Camp and passed the roll-call as sober.

P.C. Watson gave corroborative evidence.

Mr. Minter said the landlord had not the slightest desire to break the law. He had always conducted his house in a proper manner, and there had been no complaint against him. Assuming that what the policeman said was true, there was no offence on the part of the landlord, because the barmaid said she did not notice the condition of the soldier. It was not because a mistake had been made that the landlord was to be convicted. He thought when the Bench heard his witness`s evidence they would come to the conclusion that the constables were not telling the real truth. It was very strange to him that when the constables saw a drunken man go into the house he did not go in and warn the landlord of the man`s condition. He did not do that. He waited outside four minutes. The reason why was clear. The sober soldier went in first, the drunken one followed. The sober man called for two glasses of beer, and at that moment there was no second soldier in the house. There was no offence in serving a soldier who was sober. The barmaid would deny that she said in reply to Sergt. Lilley that she served the drunken man. On all the facts he asked the Bench to say there had been no offence committed.

Rebecca Barmers said she had been barmaid at the Wellington five weeks. When the soldiers came in, the other side of the bar was full of working people. The soldier entered alone and asked for two glasses of beer. At that time the other soldier had not come in. There was a woman in the little bar, and as she behaved in an improper manner she opened the door and put her out. As she did so, the two policemen faced her. She did not see the second soldier come in as she turned to serve two pots of beer. Then she saw the two soldiers she saw in Court. When the policemen entered, Sergt. Lilley took the soldiers` names and asked her if she served them with drink. She replied that she served the sober one. At that time the drunken one had not touched his glass. She fetched the landlady down. She did not tell the Sergeant she had not served the drunken man. It was a very small bar, and the two men were sitting down. After the Sergeant had taken the man`s name, he said “If you call me drunk, I`ll ---- well drink some to make me drunk”. Her orders were distinctly not to serve drunken people.

William McDermott, a driver in the R.A., corroborated what the barmaid had said. Mannix did not go in with him, because his hat blew off, and he stayed to get it. Mannix then came in and sat down. There was a woman in the bar, who was turned out by the barmaid. It was not true that he was holding Mannix up. They both went home to barracks all right. Witness reached the barracks about eleven.

Mr. Bradley said the whole question turned upon the fact whether the drunken man was in the bar or not when the beer was ordered.

Mr. Minter: Exactly, and the witness swears he wasn`t. Lilley tells you that.

The Magistrates dismissed the case.
 
 
 



 
 
 

 

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