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Saturday, 3 December 2022

Victoria (3), Risborough Lane 1901 - 2010

Victoria, 1978





During Conversion To Accommodation
24th October, 2011




Victoria, Date unknown. Credit Chris Excell (from http://www.dover-kent.com/Victoria-Cheriton.html)
 
Victoria, date unknown. From http://www.dover-kent.com/Victoria-Cheriton.html

 
 
Licensees

Charles Quested 1901 1909 From Imperial (2)
Alice Quested/Monk 1909 1915
William Tomlinson 1915 1918
Francis Rivers 1918 1933
Mary Rivers 1933 1944
Arthur Alker 1944 1959
Reginald Larkin 1959 1974
Anthony Organ and Colin Ellis 1974 1976 Anthony Organ From Cherry Pickers
John Darling 1976 1979
David Haspe and John Darling 1979 1990
Mark Edwards and John Darling 1990 1992
Raymond Jones and John Darling 1992 1994
Alistair France and John Darling 1994 1994
Alistair France and Gary Thrower 1994 1995
Gary Thrower and Kevan Hodges 1995 1996
Kevan Hodges and Stuart Martin 1996 1997
Stuart Martin and Lorraine Bartlett 1997 1997
Stuart Martin and David Lines 1997 1998
Jeffrey Reeve and Fiona Reeve 1998 1999
John Henderson and Robert Peacock 1999 2000
Robert Peacock, Christine Gray and Megan Williams 2000 2000
Christine Gray and Megan Williams 2000 2002
Stephen Warren and Leah Harren 2002 2004 +




Folkestone Express 26-8-1899

Elham Licensing Sessions

The annual licensing sessions were held at Elham on Monday before F.D. Brockman Esq., and Captain Smythies.

The police opposed the licence of the Unity Inn, Cheriton, and an application of Mr. Lonergan for a new licence, all the other licences in the district being renewed. The sessions were adjourned until September 29th.

Folkestone Herald 30-9-1899

Cheriton Urban District Council

Tuesday, September 26th

Councillor Harriss said that there were applications for new licences to be made in the district. One was by Mr. Lonergan, but they would not want him to withdraw because it was a matter that concerned all of them. He suggested that it should go forth that the Council were willing to support what they thought would be of most advantage to the Parish – the application of Mr. Lonergan for a licence.

Councillor Lonergan said that he had some intimation that it might come on that day, and he brought the plan. There was urgency if it was to be done at all.

Councillor Greenstreet said that it should be understood that in the event of a licence being granted the opinion of the Council should be directed to the question of which would be the better site. They were not backing up Mr. Lonergan as a member of the Council. If they were going to have any public house, by all means let them have that in the best situation, never mind whether it was Mr. Lonergan, or who it was.

Councillor Dunster also considered that they were not dealing with Mr. Lonergan or anyone else personally.

The Chairman said that they had heard what Mr. Harriss said. Would anyone second his resolution?

Councillor Harriss thought that it was a very important matter. If they were going to improve Cheriton they should do their utmost to have the improvement in the right part.

The resolution was seconded. It was to the effect that the Council are of opinion that if the Licensing Justices are prepared to grant fresh licenses, preference should be given to the site at the junction of Queen`s Road with Church Road.

Carried.

Folkestone Express 7-10-1899

Local News

At the adjourned licensing session held at Seabrook on Friday, Mr. Charles Robert Quested applied for a provisional licence for a public house to be erected on a site abutting to Church Road. Mr. Minter supported the application, and Mr. Mowll opposed on behalf of the White Lion Inn. There was also an application by Mr. Robert Lanergan for a provisional licence for a public house proposed to be erected at the junction of Queen`s Road and Church Road. The latter, it will be remembered, was supported by a resolution of the District Council. After a good deal of evidence, and some very long arguments, the Bench granted the application of Mr. Quested, but declined to grant that of Mr. Lonergan.

Folkestone Up To Date 7-10-1899

Local News

The decision of the Cheriton Urban District Council at its last meeting to favour the application of Mr. Lonergan, one of their own members, with reference to his application to the Cheriton Licensing Bench for a licence, met with a rather rough rebuff from Mr. John Minter, of Folkestone, on the occasion of his appearing to represent local interests.

The case for Mr. Lonergan was that it would be more to the advantage of the district as a whole that a licence should be granted to a house at the junction of the Queen`s and Church Roads, but it is always a difficult thing for a local body to interfere in questions of transfer from one public house to another. There is no doubt, however, that the members who voted in favour of bringing influence to bear on the Magistrates intended to act in the way best calculated to further develop the district.

Summary of Cheriton News

The little difficulty as to who was to have the licence which it was expected would be issued in place of the licence of the Unity public house, which is coming down, was disposed of in favour Mr. Quested, the application on behalf of Mr. Lonergan, the well-known Clerk to the Board of Guardians, for a licence for a place at the corner of the Queen`s and Church Roads being refused.

Licensing

The Adjourned General Annual Licensing Meeting was held on Friday last at the County Police Station, Seabrook, before Messrs. Brockman, Day (Mayor of Hythe), Wightwick, A.S. Jones, Capt. Smythies, Capt. Baldwin, and Dr. Lovegrove. The chief business of interest was the application by Mr. Charles Robert Quested for a provisional licence for premises to be constructed abutting to Church Road, and a like application by Mr. Robert Lanergan for premises to be built on the junction of Queen`s Road and Church Road.

Mr. J. Minter appeared for Mr. Quested; Mr. F. Hall for Mr. Lonergan; and Mr. Mowll for the owners and occupiers of the White Lion, Cheriton.

Mr. Minter, in the course of his remarks on behalf of Mr. Quested`s application, referred in caustic terms to a resolution with regard to the licensing recently passed by the Urban District Council of Cheriton. He said that he had noticed that the Cheriton Council had been taking some extraordinary proceedings at their meetings, and he understood that Mr. James, the Clerk, was here to oppose the application.

Mr. James: I put in the resolution of the Council. I am not here to oppose.

Mr. Minter said that Mr. James was going to put in an extraordinary resolution.

Mr. Wilks said that a copy of the resolution and a letter of Mr. James had been sent to him.

Mr. Minter said it was a most improper and scandalous proceeding, such as in the course of 50 years` experience he had never heard of before, but he was not at all surprised at it, when he read the nature of the resolution which they had presumed to pass, and which they had had no power to do. It was totally illegal, and it had been passed really in the interests of one of the members of that Council, and he had never seen such a scandalous proceeding. The resolution was, to a certain extent, a work of art. It showed that they must have been studying the Transvaal matters a good deal, and they had come to the conclusion that they were an independent and sovereign state. (Laughter) They issued their ultimatum to a Bench of Magistrates – (Laughter) to tell them not to grant the application of Mr. Quested, but they were to grant the application of one of their own body, Mr. Lonergan, who was a member of the Council, and present at the meeting. Where were they to stop if a body like the Urban Council of Cheriton would so act in the interests of one of their own members (Mr. Lonergan) as to pass a resolution to suggest to the Magistrates that they should grant the licence to him? Certainly the Cheriton Council had immortalised themselves. (Laughter) They would go down to posterity – (Laughter) as one of the most extraordinary bodies of men that were ever created. (Loud laughter) He was afraid that it did not show that they were worthy of being entrusted with the powers which the Local Government Board had given them. (Laughter) Mr. James did not hesitate to attend, notwithstanding that he must know that it was a most illegal act on their part to have passed this resolution. (Laughter) With regard to the Unity Inn, Mr. Minter said it was known that that house had been sold to the War Office, and the Camp was going to be extended. He alluded to the marvellous extension of Cheriton, and the extensive building operations going on. He understood that Mr. Mowll, on behalf of Messrs. Beer, the landlords of the White Lion, was there to oppose. It was simply a trade and selfish opposition. The White Lion had been rebuilt to the benefit of Messrs. Beer, but at the same time that did not get away from the fact that they were out of an easy distance of the people who were living near the site of the house to be erected, and for which he was applying for the provisional grant.

Mr. Wilks, architect, gave evidence as to the plans and the number of houses in the neighbourhood. He stated that building operations were going on very fast indeed; also that in his opinion the site was a suitable and proper one for the erection of a house. The estimate of cost was £2,000.

Mr. Percy Greenstreet (an Overseer) stated that he resided at Cheriton and was a member of the Council. (Laughter)

Mr. Minter: I hope you won`t be offended by what I just said. (Laughter)

Mr. Greenstreet (continuing) said that the population of Cheriton was well over 3,000. Houses were increasing very rapidly on the south side of the railway. The rateable value had increased very much indeed within the last three years. He believed that the rateable value had almost doubled recently. At the present moment he believed that it was well over £15,000. Building operations were still going on, and there seemed to be no limit to them.

Mr. George Conley stated, with regard to the number of houses near Mr. Quested`s site, that he had been round to count them. On the south side, including 55 for Horn Street, there were 123. There were buildings going on close to the site. He considered it a very admirable site, and thought that a second licence was required.

Mr. F.W. Solley also considered that this was a proper site. He thought that another fully licensed house was required.

The Rev. R.E. Johnston: Do you hold any official position in the parish?

Witness: Not at all.

Mr. Minter: You are not one of the immortalised Council, I expect? (Laughter)

Mr. Quested (the applicant) gave formal evidence.

Mr. Mowll here said that he had a couple of witnesses.

Mr. W.J. Jennings gave evidence as to a plan, which showed every house erected or in the course of erection. He stated that the old White Lion had been demolished and a large building had been erected instead. Nearly all the houses were within a convenient distance of either the Unity or the White Lion. The White Lion was enlarged for the better accommodation of the public.

Mr. G.D. Wood, managing director of the Cheriton Omnibus Company, stated that in his opinion it was the worst thing that could happen to have a public house outside the stable gates. He had great difficulty now. He did not think it was required. He would rather not have one.

By Mr. Minter: All stablemen were in the habit of drinking when they got the opportunity. He did not mean to say that his men were worse than others.

Mr. F. Hall then addressed the Court on behalf of Mr. Lonergan. He observed that the applicant in this case was the owner of the Oaks Estate, which he purchased from Mr. Minter. Feeling that some time, sooner or later, a licence would be granted, he, being the owner of so much land, had made this application, not in the ordinary sense as a brewer or brewer`s tenant, but as the owner of the property. This house would not be in any sense a tied house. As to the opposition, he said that the White Lion was a veritable Klondyke – (laughter) – and he had no doubt far and away the best house that Messrs. Beer had. He could not understand the nature of Mr. Johnston`s cooperation, that he should be present to assist the brewers in protecting their interests and creating a gigantic monopoly. The Bench must come to the conclusion, as they had twelve months before, that the existing licensing accommodation was not adequate for the population. He would put in a memorial signed by 122 people in Cheriton, including the Chairman of the Urban District Council and members of it. His friend Mr. Minter had alluded to the Council in not very complimentary terms. He did not hold a brief to defend them, but the Council did not attempt to dictate to the Bench. They simply passed a resolution that the Council were of opinion that if the justices considered it expedient to grant a fresh licence, preference should be given to the site at the junction of Queen`s Road and Church Road. He was surprised somewhat to hear his friend anathematising them. Perhaps he had been wrapt up in the doings of Tommy Atkins, and his martial spirit was excited. (Laughter) He suggested that there had been no dictation.

Superintendent Hollands stated that he was directed by the Chief Constable to oppose the application.

Mr. Wilks produced plans and gave evidence as to the accommodation of the house.

Mr. Lonergan, the applicant, in the course of his statement, said that he bought 13 acres, and was developing it for building. The houses let before they are finished. He made his application on purpose to have control of the house near him. He was speaking as the owner of the houses. He was not going to make anything out of it.

By Mr. Minter: He had no intention of keeping the house himself. If he had a veru good offer he would not sell it. He would not do so at any price; it would spoil his property. The class was not that of people who would drink beer and want controlling.

Mr. Minter: You are a member of the celebrated Cheriton Council? (Loud laughter)

Mr. Lonergan, continuing, said that there was nothing on the agenda about the resolution. He was present. He did not produce his plans until the motion was brought forward.

Mr. Minter: It came as a surprise to you. (Laughter)

Mr. Lonergan said it did. They had power to pass such a resolution.

Mr. Shead was the next witness. He mentioned that he obtained signatures for the memorial.

Mr. Minter: You were employed to do it?

Witness: No, sir.

Was it out of love for Mr. Lonergan? – I suppose it was. (Laughter)

Who asked you? – Not Mr. Lonergan.

Who did? – That has nothing to do with you, sir. (Laughter)

Who asked you to get this memorial signed? – One of Mr. Lonergan`s men.

Mr. Cust deposed that, in his opinion, there was necessity for a fresh licence, and Mr. Lonergan`s site was the best, being more central.

Mr. Mowll and Mr. Bannon addressed the Bench subsequently. The latter contended that no-one had the authority to state that the Unity would be taken down and destroyed by the War Department. The Rev. R.E. Johnston and the Rev. F.D. Hodgson also opposed the application.

The Chairman, after a short interval, announced that the Bench granted Mr. Quested`s application, as they considered the Unity would be done away with by the War Office. The other application would be refused.

Note: This application refers to what will become the Victoria.

Folkestone Express 21-10-1899

East Kent Quarter Sessions

Mr. C.F. Gill, Q.C., and Mr. G.F. Hohler, applied for the confirmation of a licence granted by the Justices of the Elham Division to Charles Robert Quested in respect of premises at Cheriton. This was unopposed and confirmed.

Folkestone Herald 25-7-1903

Wednesday, July 22nd: Before Alderman Banks, Messrs. W. Wightwick, and J. Stainer.

A licence to sell intoxicating liquors on the Football Ground, Canterbury Road, on the Bank Holiday, on the occasion of a fete, was granted to Mr. Quested.

Folkestone Herald 17-9-1904

Elham County Bench

Thursday, September 15th: Before Mr. F.D. Brockman, Alderman J.J. Jeal, Councillor H.P. Jacques, Lieut. Col. Fynmore, Mr. A.S. Jones and Mr. F.E. Burke.

Frederick Arthur King was summoned for being drunk whilst in charge of a horse and cart in Ashley Avenue, Cheriton, on the 12th inst. Mr. Minter appeared for the defence.

P.C. Goodhew stated that at 10.30 p.m. on the 12th inst. he saw defendant drunk, driving a horse and trap, the reins of which were lying loose on the horse`s back. He stopped defendant and told him to get down. He got down and held on to the shaft. Witness took him to the Seabrook police station, and charged him with being drunk whilst in charge of a horse and cart.

Cross-examined by Mr. Minter, witness stated that at the police station defendant insisted on seeing a doctor, who pronounced that he was not drunk.

In reply to Supt. Hollands, witness stated that the doctor did not arrive till 12 o`clock, and the offence was committed at 10.30.

P.C. Woodhams stated that on the evening in question he was in Risborough Lane and saw defendant get out at the Victoria. He requested the landlord not to serve him. In the meantime another man went in and brought out two glasses of ale, one of which he gave to defendant. King then got on the box and drove down Risborough Lane. Witness saw that he was drunk.

Ernest Mitchell, a sapper in the Royal Engineers, corroborated the constable`s evidence.

P.C. Archer deposed to being at the police station on the night in question when defendant was brought in. Witness telephoned to Dr. Chubb, and about ten minutes to twelve he (Dr. Chubb) arrived and examined defendant. He said “Well, I won`t say you are drunk at the present time, but you appear to be suffering from drink”.

Questioned by Supt. Hollands, witness said Dr. Chubb did not say that defendant was capable of taking a horse home.

Mr. Minter having addressed the Bench for the defence, defendant gave evidence on oath. He said he was a fly driver, living at Cheriton. On the night of the 12th inst. he was driving past the Victoria, when he saw a man named James Reeves, who was drunk. Witness took him to his cab and drove him home. Having taken him home, he resumed his journey and was stopped by the policeman.

William Miller, John Hobb, William Seymour, and Fred Jennings having given evidence as to defendant`s condition, Supt. Hollands recorded several previous convictions against defendant.

A fine of 10s. and 26s. costs was inflicted, in default one month`s imprisonment.

Folkestone Herald 30-3-1907

Local News

We regret to announce the death of Mr. Charles Robert Quested, the proprietor of the Victoria Hotel, Risboro` Lane, Cheriton, who passed away on Wednesday morning at about 10 o`clock, after an illness of nearly eight months. The deceased, who had been an inhabitant of Cheriton for a great many years, was well-known and highly respected in the district. His father was at one time the proprietor of the Railway Hotel, Coolinge Lane.

The late Mr. Chas. Quested, who was 51 years of age, was an enthusiastic follower of the East Kent Hunt. He leaves a widow, four daughters, and one son, the eldest of his children, being about nineteen.

The funeral will take place today at 3 p.m. at the Old Parish Church, Cheriton.

Folkestone Express 18-4-1908


Inquest

An inquest was held at the Town Hall on Saturday by the Borough Coroner (Mr. G.W. Haines) respecting the death of Gordon Colin McKenzie Dick (10), who met with a fatal bicycling accident at Cheriton of Friday afternoon.

Edward Lacey Challenor, a captain in the Leicestershire Regiment, stationed at Shorncliffe, and residing at 26, Trimworth Road, Folkestone, said he identified the body as that of his step-son, who resided with him at 26, Trimworth Road. He was ten years of age, and had ridden a bicycle for the past six months. He was quite good at it. He was riding his own machine on the day in question, it having a free wheel and brakes, which were in working order. At about 1.30 witness was acquainted with the accident. Deceased should have been home at 1.15. He brought a letter up to the Camp in the morning, and witness met him going up as he was returning home to lunch.

Norman Dean, 1, Oaks Road, Cheriton, said he was manager at the Victoria Hotel, in Risborough Lane, which was at the corner of Church Road. There was a high wall at the other corner, so that anyone coming down Church Road would not be able to see either up or down Risborough Lane. About ten minutes past one the previous day witness stopped in the middle of the road to let the boy go by. He saw deceased coming down Church Road on a bicycle at a medium pace. There was a coal cart approaching from Cheriton, which was about to turn into Church Road. He did not think deceased rang his bell or saw the cart until he was almost on top of it. The deceased was on the proper side and about a yard from the footpath. The coal cart was in Risborough Lane. The horse`s lead was just coming round, but not the wheels. The deceased appeared to go straight into the horse`s breast, and was knocked back off his bicycle. The horse and cart were going at a walking pace and the boy was leading the horse on the left hand side. The deceased had a slight cut under the chin, but he was not bleeding much. He could not get his breath, however. Witness went to Trimworth Road, where he saw Captain Challenor, and by his instructions took the boy to the Victoria Hospital.

William Marsh, of 87, High Street, Cheriton, said he was in the employ of Alfred Wyte, a coal dealer, of Cheriton. He was delivering coal from the rail, and was in charge of a four wheeled trolley and one horse. He was leading the horse up Risborough Lane, being on the left hand side of the animal`s head. The bicycle appeared to be coming at full speed. There was room for deceased to have turned without touching witness. Witness did not hear any bell rung.

James Reginal Kemp, house surgeon at the Victoria Hospital, said the previous day, about 1.30, deceased was brought in, and about three o`clock an operation was performed for tracheotomy. Dr. Chambers performed the operation and witness was present. The deceased was suffering from a crushed windpipe and there was considerable internal haemorrhage. The operation was successfully performed, but it was useless, the obstruction being below where the opening was made. The deceased, who was not put under chloroform, died at about 3.15. In witness`s opinion he died from asphyxia caused by haemorrhage on to the lungs set up by injuries to the throat.

The jury returned a verdict of “Accidental Death”.
 
 
 

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