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Folkestone Herald 15-5-1971

Local News

When 1,400 continentals visit Folkestone next Thursday the doors of local pubs will be open to them all afternoon. On Tuesday local Magistrates decided in favour of a second application to allow 17 pubs to remain open especially for the visitors. They had vetoed a previous application. The second made by publicans was amended to allow for a half-hour break at 5.30 p.m. before their premises opened for the evening session.

Mr. J. Medlicott, for the publicans, told the Magistrates that the visitors were delegates attending a conference in Bruges. One of its highlights was to be a visit to England. He referred to a letter received by Folkestone Corporation from the British Tourist Authority supporting the publicans` application. The visit – by Dutch, Swiss, Belgians and Germans – was a special occasion, not just a shopping expedition, said Mr. Medlicott. It had been arranged by a Bruges tourist organisation which had particularly asked that pubs should be open in the afternoon.

Police Inspector R. Sanders made no formal objection to the application – but doubted whether the visit was a special occasion.

The Chairman of Folkestone Chamber of Trade, Mr. Alan Stephenson, said later “The cross-Channel visitors` committee of this Chamber is very pleased that this has been seen as a special occasion by the Justices. When one is reminded that this extension is no more than happens in many market towns every week of the year, it seems a fair request, especially as Folkestone’s image abroad could be much influenced by the original decision not to allow the pubs to open”.

The pubs which will stay open are; Jubilee, Ship, Oddfellows, Royal George, London and Paris, True Briton, Harbour Inn, Princess Royal, Clarendon, Brewery Tap, Earl Grey, Prince Albert, George, Globe, East Kent Arms, Guildhall and Shakespeare.

Folkestone Gazette 28-2-1973

Local News

Licensee of the George Inn, George Lane, Folke­stone, Mr. Dennis Herbert Chapman, on Monday lost his High Court appeal against his conviction for selling in­toxicating drink to a youth under the age of 18. Mr. Chapman had been fined £10 when he appeared before magistrates at Folke­stone.

Mr. Justice Ashworth, sit­ting with the Lord Chief Justice, Lord Widgery, and Mr. Justice Bridge, said the offence arose out of the sale of a light ale and lime to a 14-year-old youth. When the case was heard, objection was taken on behalf of Mr. Chapman to the fact that a declaration preceding a statement made by a for­ensic analyst had not been signed.

But there was no require­ment that the declaration must be signed, said the judge. It was the statement, incorporating the declaration, which had to be signed by the witness. The justices were right to reject this objection to the admissibility of the state­ment. It had also been said there was insufficient evidence to show that Mr. Chapman had personally sold the drink to the youth, but that had not been pressed, said Mr. Justice Ashworth.

The appeal was dismissed with costs.

Folkestone Gazette 20-2-1974

Local News

A Folkestone police inspector, fined £5 on Monday for being drunk in Sandgate Road, told Magistrates that he had been warned that he would be “stitched” – police jargon for a frame-up or concocted evidence against him. Brian Francis McConnell, 29, of 21, Earls Avenue, pleaded Not Guilty before three Cranbrook Magistrates at a special Folkestone Court. The magistrates were brought in as McConnell was, until December, court inspec­tor at Folkestone.

P.C. Donald Weeks said that he was on motor patrol duty with Sergeant Ian Worledge at 1.10 a.m. on Decem­ber 20. They were parked in the police bay outside Debenham`s store when McConnell staggered towards the car. He tapped on the window and asked about two people to whom P.C. Weeks had spoken on the previous night. McConnell`s voice was slurred, and he staggered backwards, collapsing on his back in Debenham`s doorway. P.C. Weeks said “Mr. McConnell got to his feet, came back and said he was drunk, or words to that effect. He asked for a lift home and got into the rear of the vehicle”. They drove off, but had travelled only a little way when McConnell told the sergeant to get out of the car. They continued to Earl`s Avenue and stopped outside McConnell`s home, but he refused to leave the car. A call was made to Inspector Philip Roberts, who arrived at Earl`s Avenue and ordered McConnell to be taken to Folkestone police station.

Cross-examined by Mr. Michael Lewer, Q.C., defending, P.C. Weeks agreed that it was an unusual matter for him to be dealing with an inspector in a case like that. Mr. Lewer asked “You made no record in your note book?”

P.C. Weeks: I didn`t put in any speech.

Is the reason that you didn`t think you would have to recount the speech? – Yes, sir. I thought it would be dealt with in a different way – if at all.

Asked whether McConnell had a reputation of being something of a joker, P.C. Weeks said “It may be the case, but I don`t know of it”.

P.C. Weeks said that on the previous night he had been called to the George Inn, George Lane, at the request of McConnell, who complained that there were two uninvited people at a private party.

Sergeant Worledge agreed he helped Inspector Roberts to put McConnell in a cell. He described McConnell as normally a light-hearted pleasant man, but said that when he was in the police car he seemed distraught – “very upset indeed”. “I had formed the opinion that he was drunk”, he said. Sergeant Worledge agreed with Mr. Lewer that a drunk was usually searched and his tie and bootlaces taken away from him. This did not happen in McConnell`s case.

Inspector Roberts said that when he saw McConnell in Earls Avenue, he said to him “Come on Brian, it’s time to go to bed”. McConnell fell sideways on the back seat of the police car. At the police station, Mc­Connell stood against a wall and collapsed before being assisted into a cell. At 5.30 a.m., McConnell was awake. Inspector Roberts said “I asked him if he was feeling better and he said “That’s the safest sleep I have had for a long time. They are trying to get me””. Told he was being taken home, McConnell asked why. “I told him “I don`t want every copper in this station to see you in this condition””, said Inspector Roberts.

Referred by Mr. Lewer to the police occurrence book for the date in question, Inspector Roberts agreed that no entry was made about McConnell being placed in a cell.

Asked if he knew McConnell well, he replied “Inspectors are people who pass in the night”. He was aware that McConnell had been given notice of his transfer to County Headquarters at Maidstone and was not happy about the move.

P.C. Harry Salisbury, station officer at the time McConnell was taken to the police station, told the Court that he saw him leave in the morning. He did not see McConnell wink at him. Asked whether he knew McConnell as a practical joker, P.C. Salisbury agreed that he was once told to ring a telephone number which turned out to be that of Recipe of the Day.

On oath, McConnell said that he had been in the police force for seven and a half years and an inspector for 18 months. He heard in December that he was being transferred to the operations room at County Headquarters. “I regarded it as a retrograde step. I thought it was a bad administrative move”, he said. McConnell said that on the morning of December 18 he slipped at the police station and hurt his knee. Throughout the afternoon he was at Hythe, on duty as escort to Miss World, who was paying a visit to the town. McConnell said that after Miss World had finished her official duties, he asked her and her manager to have a drink with him. “They wanted to find their way through Folkestone to the A20 and I invited them to have a drink at the George. They accepted, and were there for about 20 minutes after which I accompanied them to the A20”. Afterwards he stayed behind as a guest of the landlord at a private party. McConnell said that on the following day his leg was hurting so he rang the police station to say that he would not be in. Later that day he decided to keep a lunchtime appointment. On the way there he saw P.C. Robin Venner, with whom he had been working for 2½ years. “He said I should be careful because there was a rumour going around the police station that someone was going to stitch me”.

Asked what “stitched” meant, McConnell said “To a police officer it means a frame-up or a concocted evidence job”.

McConnell went on: “I was frightened and apprehensive so I went to the offices of the Folkestone Herald and Gazette, where I made a telephone call. There were several reporters there and I asked them to listen to the call to Superintendent Snelling. I asked him to make a note in his pocket book of the time and date, so that if anything happened it would be recorded as evidence on my behalf. Superintendent Snelling said that he would write it down and asked me to be in his office at 2.30 p.m. to see Chief Superintendent Pullinger from Dover. I had a lengthy interview about Miss World, the George, my objection to transfer and my criticism of the administration of the force. I was then asked to make a written statement. Superintendent Snelling then asked Mr. Eric Haslam, the deputy chief constable, to come to Folkestone from Maidstone as soon as possible”. McConnell said Mr. Haslam arrived and there was another long interview. He eventually left the police station at 7.15 p.m. He went for a meal and then met his girlfriend, Mrs. Sandra Leach, at 8.30 p.m. They had two halves of lager at the George, two or three at the Harbour Inn and two at the Princess Royal before returning to the George. Later they stayed behind with the landlord and his wife, when, said McConnell, he drank four or five Southern Comfort bourbon liqueurs – the drink taken by Miss World the previous evening.

Mr. Lewer: You were following in the footsteps of Miss World?

“I was indeed, sir”, replied McConnell, who said the drink affected his mood but not his speech or faculties. As he walked home with Mrs. Leach a police car passed them on at least one occasion. “I was annoyed”, said McConnell. “For 2½ years I had felt that I was being followed by night duty policemen. Perhaps it relieved the boredom of night duty. I believed that, because of my girlfriend, I was an item of curiosity at the police station. As I walked by the police car I said “this is getting too much”, bearing in mind the events of the day. I asked my girl friend to walk on ahead and a police car drew alongside. I tapped on the window and spoke for some time about the events of the pre­vious night and of Miss World’s visit”.
Mr. Lewer: The police say that you stepped back into the entrance to Debenhams and collapsed in the door­way.

McConnell: I told them I had been drinking and challenged them to arrest me. I didn`t know if they were the ones trying to stitch me. They said “There is nothing wrong with you – go home”. I said that if I were to sit in the doorway then they could arrest me. There was no-one at the scene and I was not making a spectacle of myself. I was calling their hand. I know that I was foolish, but I`m not accused of being foolish. I was accused of being drunk, which I was not.

McConnell said he asked the sergeant to get out of the car because he was talking about getting an inspector there. “His manner made me apprehensive”. By the time he reached his home there were three police officers involved and he was sure he would be reported to the superintendent. “I had reached the point of no return”, he said. “My state of mind was not what it should have been. I was playing it along and acting out of character. When I decided to push it to the limit, I decided to fool around, slurring my speech and acting drunk. I was partly apprehensive because of my fear of being stitched, and then because I thought I was carrying a joke too far”. Asked about his reputation as a joker, McConnell said that in a mundane job he played jokes over his personal radio. “I did not hurt the public, and I feel that my section has the highest morale in Folkestone”, he said. McConnell said that he was collected from his home at 10.20 a.m. the same morning and taken to Superintendent Terry Snelling who gave him the choice of resigning on the spot or being suspended and subjected to a police inquiry. He did not resign and was suspended.

Cross-examined by Mr. Colin Staples, McConnell denied that he was not on official duty when he acted as escort to Miss World. He said “Inspector John Ansell was on night duty and passed it on to me”. Of the episode in Sandgate Road, McConnell said “If it was a joke, I accept that I went too far”.

Mrs. Sandra Leach, of 67a, Wear Bay Crescent, Folkestone, said that she was a former barmaid and was well able to judge whether or not a man was drunk. On the night in question McConnell was limping badly, but was definitely not drunk.

Asked if she was his girlfriend, Mrs. Leach said “I was at the time, but we are not seeing each other at present”.

Mrs. June Chapman, wife of the licensee of the George, said that when McConnell left the public house he was “merry but capable”. She said he did not slur his speech.

Summing up, Mr. Lewer said of McConnell: Maybe he had too much time – and who can blame him – with Miss World and had got into hot water. Being accused of being drunk is a minor matter to most people. This man`s career in the police force is in shreds and tatters anyway. He is a man who has now got to pick up what he can. How he can justify himself at a disciplinary hearing I don`t know, but in my submission his behaviour cannot be put down to being drunk. It was just one incident in a difficult day.

After a short retirement, the Magistrates found the case proved, and fined McConnell £5. He was given 21 days to pay after indicating that he would be lodging an appeal.

Folkestone Herald 9-8-1975

Local News

A Folkestone man found Guilty of assaulting a police officer was given a six-month sentence by Folkestone Magistrates last Friday.

Roy Miller, 25, of Thanet Gardens, who denied the offence, was also fined £5 for threatening behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace. He was bound over in the sum of £25 to keep the peace and was ordered to pay £7 costs. No order for legal aid was made. James Daley, 25, of St. John’s Street, was also fined £5 for threatening behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace and bound over in the sum of £25 to keep the peace. He too was ordered to pay £7 towards the cost of the prosecution. He pleaded Not Guilty.

The charges arose from an incident outside The George Inn, George Lane, Folkestone, in May. When the police arrived, a group of about a dozen young people were scuffling in the street, the Magistrates were told.

Police Constable Arthur Morris said he saw Daley grab hold of another man`s shirt and raise his fist. The officer grabbed hold of Daley, who told him “This is nothing to do with you. This is family”. As they were talking, Miller ran up and told him to leave Daley alone. Police Constable Morris said “I saw P.C. Cox stand in front of Miller, trying to calm him down. Miller brought up his knee between P.C. Cox’s legs; he gasped and doubled up”.

Police Constable Charles Cox told the court he was badly bruised and in pain for days afterwards.

Mr. Brian Deaville, defend­ing, asked Police Constable Phillip Musgrave why three policemen were needed to hold down Miller, who was only a little chap?

“Yes, but he is wiry with it”, replied the officer.

Daley said that by the time the police had arrived, the fight was over. The police told him that if he did not tell them the names of the people with whom he was fighting he would be arrested.I said. O.K., take me now”, added Daley.

Miller told the court he definitely had not kneed P.C. Cox.

The case was interrupted when Daley’s sister, Faith, took the oath. The clerk to the court, Mr. Stanley Winchester, stopped the proceedings to ask “Has anyone been outside the court and talked to you about this case?”

“No”, replied Miss Daley.

Pointing to a man in the gallery, Mr. Winchester said “What, about that man over there?”

The man stood up and said he had talked to Miss Daley outside, but not about the case.

(There is a further sentence printed, but unfortunately the end of the report was not printed.)

Folkestone Herald 28-7-1979

Stroller

Drinkers have been supping their ale in Folkestone`s George Inn for more than 400 years. The George is thought to be the town`s oldest pub, and its history is outlined in a recently published book about ancient Folkestone drinking establishments.


The landlord, Dennis Chapman, is proud to run the oldest pub in town. “I knew it was old because the doors to the cellar are below ground level, but I didn’t realise how old it was”, he said this week.

The pub, which is in George Lane, used to be called the Cheker. It was mentioned in the town accounts for 1525 when the mayor entertained, travelling players at the inn. A Master Kennett man­aged the pub and the Kennett family has been con­nected with Folkestone for many centuries. It got its new name by 1729, and records show that two horses were stolen from the George’s stable that year. The earliest official refer­ence to it comes in the Folke­stone Sessions book for 1766 when Neat Ladd was the licensee. “At the beginning of the present century it was the rendezvous of the George Inn Cork Club, many of the mem­bers of which were total abstainers”, says the book. The book is called Old Folkestone Pubs and it is written by Dr. C. H. Bishop.
  

Photo from Folkestone Herald
 
South Kent Gazette 23-4-1980

Local News

A former Scout leader propositioned two young girls outside a pub, it was alleged in Court last Tuesday.

Folkestone Magistrates heard from a 17-year-old girl that she was walking past the George pub, in George Lane, Folkestone, when Frank Michael White, of Salisbury Road, Cheriton, came out. “He came put and said “What are you two young ladies doing out at this time of night?””, said the girl. She told the Court that White then pulled a wallet out of his pocket, showed her a badge and a card, and said “C.I.D.”. “He started talking to us and propositioning. He offered us money to go to the Motel Burstin with him”.

After the trial White was convicted of falsely suggesting he was a police officer by showing a badge and a card and claiming to be a C.I.D. member. He was fined £25 with £30 costs.

When asked by P.C. Clive Ellesmore, white admitted that the badge and card were his, but denied propositioning the girls or offering them money.

According to White the incident happened about 10.40 p.m. when he was drinking with two friends at the George. One of his friends, Mr. Ian Duff, went outside and was followed by Mr. Steven Russell, of Downs Road, Folkestone. A short while later White went after them and said “I think you are being a bit silly getting involved with young girls. They look too young”. And he claimed that Mr. Duff took his wallet and started to wave it around. Although White tried to get it back, his friend kept the wallet out of reach.


Folkestone Herald 25-4-1986

Local News

A burglar was scared away from a Folkestone pub by the landlord in the early hours last week.

The landlord of The George, Raymond Holcombe, narrowly mis­sed losing over £1,000 in cash stored on the property. Mr. Holcombe said he woke at 4.30 am last Thursday to find a man dressed in black stalking along his landing. He jumped out of bed, but the door was slammed in his face. “By the time I had opened it the burglar was out of the window he got through, which must be 35 feet off the ground”, he said.

The incident happened the same day Mr. Holcombe was due to leave and hand over the tenancy. He suffered another break-in less than two months ago, when cash and property worth £250 were stolen. “I think the burglar must have been somebody who knew I was leaving, and who thought the pre­mises were already empty”, he added.

Note: This does not appear in More Bastions.
 
Folkestone Herald 23-1-1987

Local News

A man charged with breaking two windows at a public house and with handling stolen goods appeared before Magistrates on Friday. James Lees, 37, of Wood Avenue, Folkestone, pleaded Guilty to both charges. He is married with four children.

The court heard that on August 14 last year Lees was drinking in the George Inn in George Lane, Folkestone, when he became involved in a row with other customers. During the argument, Lees picked up a pool cue and smashed the two windows causing £50 worth of damage. He was restrained by landlord Brian Tofts and then left the pub. On September 18, 1986, he was arrested by police and accused of handling stolen goods received from a friend who was later jailed for three months. When he was arrested, Lees was wearing a round-neck pullover worth £13 which was one of a number of items of clothing reported as stolen from town centre shops in Folkestone during September.

The court heard that, until the incident in the George Inn, Lees, who had had a serious drink problem, had not touched alcohol for four months. But the visit of a friend from Scotland triggered the drinking session.

Magistrates adjourned sentence on Lees for three weeks and ordered a social inquiry report. He was remanded on unconditional bail until February 6.

Folkestone Herald 3-4-1987

Local News

Mystery surrounds the closure of the George public house in Folkestone town centre. The pub has been closed this week, and a sign on the door says “Closed. Sorry, no beer.”

A spokesman for Fremlins Brewery admitted that three months’ notice had been served on the landlord of the tenanted pub, Brian Tofts. He added “The three month period has now elapsed, and we are taking legal steps.” Fremlins were unable to confirm or deny speculation that Mr. Tofts has locked himself inside the George and refuses to vacate the premises.
 
Photo from Folkestone Herald
 
Folkestone Herald 10-4-1987

Local News

A Folkestone publican claimed this week he has been driven out of his pub by vicious louts. Brian Tofts, 49, the landlord of Folkestone`s oldest pub, the George, has put up the shutters because he can no longer cope with the activities of his clientele. He told the Herald “This is my first pub, and when I took over last April I had the best intentions. I ejected a certain element who were using it to sell drugs, and the place seemed to have potential. In just 12 months I have had to ban over 70 people, and both my stepson and myself have incurred injuries from break­ing up fights. The last straw was when somebody stole the charity collection boxes off the bar and stole money from the till when I was separating two individuals involved in a vicious struggle. I have worked in Brixton Community Centre and experienced riots, muggings and street violence, but nothing compares with this. I honestly believe this is the roughest pub in Britain”, Mr. Tofts said.

A spokesman for Fremlins Brewery admitted three months` notice had been served on the tenanted pub, and as this time had been served they were taking legal steps to reclaim the property.

Local News

A man charged with smashing beer glasses and other property at a Folkestone bar was further remanded in custody by the town’s Magistrates on Friday. Mr. Andrew Peter Challen, 29, of Dallas Brett Crescent, Folkestone, is accused of damaging the glasses, ashtrays and spirit optics, together worth £65, owned by Brian Tofts, on March 16 this year.

Folkestone Herald 10-7-1987

Local News

A pub landlord due to be barred by a brewery was given a breather this week. Mr. Brian Tofts, the landlord of one of Folke­stone’s oldest pubs, the George, faces eviction by Whitbreads after shutting out customers in April. He barred regulars at the town centre local in George Lane after trouble with customers and a dispute with the brewery. At the time Mr. Tofts claimed the pub was the roughest in Britain.

This week, Whitbreads agreed to adjourn their civil case against him for six weeks at Folkestone County Court. The brewers claim that Mr. Tofts has not paid any rent since March.

However, he said this week that the George had been in such a bad condition that he had spent well over £5,000 fixing it up. After the adjournment, Mr. Tofts said “We need a breathing space. Quite honestly I think I have been caught by Whitbreads”. The adjournment is doubly welcome as Mr. Tofts and his family say they have nowhere to go. “I have got nowhere else to go and I have spent all my money on the pub”, Mr Tofts added.

When the case finally goes ahead it is expected to last about two days, and he plans to produce photographs to support his claim that the George was unfit for habitation, before he did it up.
 
 
 

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