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Thursday 28 March 2024

Fleur De Lis, Dover Road c1731 - 1856

Licensees
John Wells c1765 1771
William Miller 1771 1776
Elizabeth Miller 1776 1788
John Bayley 1788 1797
Richard Barker 1797 1806
William Brann 1806 1818 From Red Cow
Mrs. William Brann 1818 1821
Thomas Godden c1821 c1825
James Mercer c1825 1832
Charles Powey 1832 1833
Richard Marsh 1833 1836
Edward Chittenden 1836 1840
Sarah Austen c1840 c1846
James Tidmarsh c1846 c1848
Sarah Tidmarsh c1848 1857 Renamed Martello 1856



Kentish Gazette 10-8-1771

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To be sold by auction, on Tuesday, the 13th day of August inst., at the house of John Wells, known by the sign of the Flower de Luce, in Folkestone, at two o`clock in the afternoon; a messuage or tenement in three dwellings, with the backsides or gardens, ground and appurtenances thereto belonging, situate near the Flower de Luce in Folkestone aforesaid,  and in the occupation of John Cook, William Stockwell, and John Sacore.

For further particulars, enquire of Mr. Farbrace, attorney, at Dover.

Kentish Gazette 21-1-1772

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Stolen or strayed, on Monday night, the 13th of this instant, out of a stable belonging to Mr. John Wells, at the sign of the Flower de Luce, Folkestone.

A grey mare, full aged, about fourteen hands and an inch high, lately taken from grass and fresh barbered.

If information can be given of the above mare, or if she is brought to Mr. Henry Pepper, Butcher, at Deal, the person, or persons, so assisting shall receive a suitable reward.

Kentish Gazette 13-3-1773

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By Auction. To be sold on Monday, the 22nd of March, 1773, at two o`clock in the afternoon, at the house of William Miller, known by the sign of the Flower de Luce, in Folkestone.

A freehold messuage or tenement, with the outhouses, and about eight acres of land thereunto belonging, situate in the parish of Folkestone, near to a certain place called Hawkinge Mill, now in the occupation of John Steddall or his assigns.

Inquire for further particulars of Mr. Farbrace, at Dover. 

Kentish Gazette 19-6-1789 

Notice: All persons who have any demands on the estate and effects of the late Mr. Joseph Kennett, of Folkestone, deceased, are requested to send an account thereof to Mr. Francis Read, Baker, of Folkestone, within one month of the date hereof, in order that they may be paid. And all persons who stand indebted to the estate of the aforesaid Mr. Joseph Kennett, deceased, are desired to pay the same to Messrs. Francis Read and Thomas Morris Jun., his executors, on Tuesday, July 14th next, at the Flower de Luce Inn, Dover Lane, Folkestone, or they will be immediately sued for the same.

Kentish Chronicle 16-12-1796 

On Tuesday died suddenly. Mrs. Bailey, in the ?5th year of her age, wife of John Bailey, of the Fleur de Luce public house, at Folkestone.

Kentish Gazette 20-12-1796 

Death: Tuesday died suddenly, Mrs. Bailey, wife of Mr. John Bailey, of the Flower de Luce public house, Folkestone.

Kentish Chronicle 12-12-1800 & Kentish Gazette 26-12-1800 

Custom House, Dover, Dec. 6, 1800: Whereas a bay horse, about fifteen hands high, seized in the parish of Cheriton on the 15th ult., by Messrs. Scott and Franklyn, Officers of the Customs, for conveying run goods, was on the morning of the following day stolen out of the stable of the Fleur de Lis, Folkestone, we do hereby offer a reward of Ten Pounds to any person who will discover those who committed the said felony.

By order of the Commissioners, Benjamin Stow, S. Gramshaw. 

Folkestone Sessions Books 1765 – 1779 & 1792 - 1811

General Sessions 4-3-1801

Before John Minter (Mayor), Joseph Sladen, Thomas Baker and John Castle.

John Bayly attended, when he agreed to take ten pounds for the loss of his fences destroyed by the Camp in 1794.

Folkestone Sessions Books 1765 – 1779 & 1792 - 1811

General Sessions 9-12-1806

Before John Gill (Mayor), John Bateman, Edward Andrews and Joseph Sladen.

The licence of the Fleur de Lis was transferred to William Brann.

Folkestone Sessions Books 1765 – 1779 & 1792 - 1811

General Sessions 25-4-1808

Before Thomas Baker (Mayor), Joseph William Knight, John Castle, John Gill, John Bateman and James Major.

The following person was fined for having short measures in their possession, viz.:

Wm. Brann 1 quart, 2 pints 3/-

Kentish Chronicle 21-8-1818 

Died August 17, at Folkestone, Mr. W. Brann, landlord of the Fleur de Lis public house, aged 84 years.

Kentish Chronicle 31-8-1819 

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Valuable brewery, free public houses and other estates to be sold by auction by Messrs. White (without reserve). Pursuant to certain orders of the Vice Chancellor of Great Britain, and before the major part of the Commissioners named and authorised in and by a Commission of Bankrupt awarded and issued against Matthew William Sankey, of the city of Canterbury, brewer, dealer and chapman, at the Guildhall of the said city of Canterbury, on Wednesday, the 22nd day of September, at eleven o`clock in the forenoon (subject to such conditions of sale as shall be then and there produced).

Also the following leasehold estates:

Lot 33: A messuage called the Fleur de Lis, with the stable, yard, garden and appurtenances, situate at or near a certain place called Botolph`s Wharf, in Folkestone aforesaid, and now in the occupation of the widow Brand (sic). 

N.B. This lot is held by lease under the said Earl of Radnor, for 31 years, from Michaelmas, 1814, at £12 10s. per annum.

The last lots will be sold subject to the rents and covenants reserved by and contained in the existing lease under which they are respectively holden.

And all the above lots will be sold subject to the tenants in possession claiming their fixtures by the power of removing them, or being allowed for them by a valuation in the usual way, and to quit rents (if any).

There will be no auction duty payable.

For further particulars apply to Messrs. Plummer and Son, or Mr. J.J. Pierce, solicitors, Canterbury; or to Messrs. Wiltshire, Bolton and Cole, solicitors, Winchester House, Old Broad Street, London, at whose respective offices printed particulars may shortly be obtained.

Dover Chronicle 12-11-1842

An unfortunate Frenchman, who was employed to buy herrings here, was on Wednesday night, the 9th instant, robbed by a girl of £40 in sovereigns. He had foolishly exhibited them in the Fleur de Lis public house, in the tap room. The girl, who was a stranger to Folkestone, immediately decamped, and has not since been heard of.

Dover Chronicle 23-9-1843

Yesterday week the Coast Guard stationed here were inspected by their commanding officer. After the inspection, the party that were stationed in the Warren, on their way home, repaired to the Fleur de Lis tavern, where they got intoxicated, and a row commenced between two preventive men named Spencer and Watts, who adjourned to a field to fight. They had several rounds, where poor Spencer received such injuries as to cause his death next day. An inquest has been held on the body, which was adjourned till yesterday. The two men who fought were very steady men, and much respected, and when sober were like brothers. Each have families to deplore the event. Watts is in a state of mind bordering on distraction. Great blame is attached to the seconds, as several persons endeavoured to part them.

Dover Telegraph 23-9-1843

Yesterday week a fight took place between two of the Coast Guardsmen, named Spencer and Watts, which, shocking to state, terminated fatally to the former, who received such severe injuries as to cause his death on the following day. It appears that both Spencer and Watts were very steady men, and upon the most brotherly terms; that after having been inspected by the commanding officer they had repaired to the Fleur de Lis Tavern with the rest of their comrades, who are stationed at the Warren, and there, unfortunately, getting intoxicated, a dispute commenced between them and a fight ensued, which, much to the horror of Watts, ended in the death of his friend.

Maidstone Journal 26-9-1843

On Friday se`nnight the coast guard here were inspected by their commanding officer, after which the party that were stationed in the Warren, on their way home, repaired to the Fleur de Lis Tavern, where they got intoxicated, and a row commenced between two of the men, named Spencer and Watts, who adjourned to a field to fight; they had several rounds, when poor Spencer received such injuries as to cause his death next day. An inquest has been held on the body, which is adjourned to Friday. The two men who fought were very steady men, and much respected, and when sober were like brothers. Each have families to deplore the event. Watts is in a state of mind bordering on distraction. Great blame is attached to the seconds, as several persons endeavoured to part them.

Dover Chronicle 30-9-1843

On Thursday, the 21st inst., George Watts and John Miller, of the Preventive Service, were brought before the Magistrates at Folkestone, charged, the former with killing and slaying Richard Spencer, and the latter with aiding and abetting him in the same. After hearing evidence against them, they were fully committed to take their trial. The prisoners have been released on bail, themselves in £80 each and two sureties each in £40; the prosecutors and witnesses were bound in their own recognisances of £40 each to give evidence at the trial. This case, our readers will recollect, has arisen out of the late fatal fight between George Watts and Richard Spencer, in which the latter was unfortunately killed.

West Kent Guardian 30-9-1843

On Friday last the coast guard here were inspected by their commanding officer, after which the party that were stationed in the Warren, on their way home, repaired to the Fleur de Lis Tavern, where they got intoxicated, and a row commenced between two of the men, named Spencer and Watts, who adjourned to a field to fight; they had several rounds, when poor Spencer received such injuries as to cause his death next day. An inquest has been held on the body, which is adjourned to Friday. The two men who fought were very steady men, and much respected, and when sober were like brothers. Each have families to deplore the event. Watts is in a state of mind bordering on distraction. Great blame is attached to the seconds, as several persons endeavoured to part them.

Kent Herald

Dover Chronicle 23-12-1843

Assizes, Friday, Dec. 15th, before Mr. Justice Erskine

George Watts and John Miller, two of the Coast Blockade stationed at Folkestone, surrendered in Court to take their trial upon an indictment charging them with the manslaughter of Robert Spencer, one of their comrades; the first prisoner being charged as principal, and the latter as accessory.

Mr. Horton stated the case for the prosecution, and Mr. Bodkin and Mr. Deedes appeared for the prisoners.

Horatio Brummage, a lad about 17, deposed that he knew the prisoners and also the deceased; and that they all belonged to the Coast Guard. On the 15th of September there had been an inspection of the men on Sandgate Plain, and after it had concluded the prisoners, deceased, another man belonging to the Coast Guard, and witness, met at a public house in Folkestone, where the prisoners and deceased drank a good deal of beer, and were the worse for liquor when they left the house. They afterwards went to another public house in Folkestone, called the Fleur de Lis, where they had more beer; and while Spencer was out of the room, Watts took up his musket, and upon examining it found it to be loaded, and he opened the window and discharged it. Spencer was very angry at this and threatened to strike Watts, and a squabble took place between them, and Watts offered to fight Spencer, and the latter said he was not particular. After this Watts was got out of the house and went a short distance, and there waited till Spencer, Miller and the others came up. Witness at this time was carrying all three muskets, and at this time they were all pretty well drunk. When they got up to Watts the prisoner Miller said to him “Com on, old George, we will have it out now”, and they began to fight. At this time Lord Radnor, to whom the field belonged, came up and insisted that they should leave off fighting, and said if they did not he would have them thrown into custody. This stopped the fight between Watts and Miller, and Spencer and Watts walked away arm in arm. When they had got a short distance, and out of sight of Lord Radnor, they began to fight, and both of them fell down several times. Miller stood by and helped them up, but he did not persuade them to fight. Spencer was afterwards taken home, and on the way he complained of a pain in his stomach, and wanted to be allowed to lie on the ground. He did not see him any more until he was dead.

In cross-examination the witness said that Spencer appeared to be undermost in every fall, and once he saw the prisoner Watts fall with his knee upon his belly. All the parties concerned belonged to the Coast Blockade, and they were very friendly when they went to the public house.

Sarah Austin, the landlady of the Fleur de Lis, proved that all the men were drunk when they came to her house, and that after the scuffle had taken place in the tap room the deceased offered to fight Watts, and said he knew he was as good a man as he was; to which Watts replied that he would not fight any more, and he wished to shake hands with his comrades.

Some other witnesses were called, from whose testimony it appeared that all the parties were too drunk to strike direct blows at each other, and that the transaction had more the character of a drunken struggle than a fight. It appeared pretty clearly made out, however, that the unfortunate deceased received a mortal injury when the prisoner Watts fell with his knee upon his stomach.

Mr. S. East, a surgeon at Folkestone, proved that he found the deceased at his residence, No. 1, Martello Tower, after the occurrence. He complained of excruciating pain in the bowels, which continued until his death. Upon a post-mortem examination he discovered that a portion of the lower bowel was completely severed and this, no doubt, had been occasioned by some great external violence upon that part of the body.

Mr. Bodkin addressed the jury for Watts, and contended that he was not amenable to the charge of manslaughter, inasmuch as the evidence clearly showed that the prisoner had not the slightest intention to injure his comrade, but that upon a sudden fray, arising from the drunken state in which they all were at the time, it appeared that the deceased might accidentally have received some injury which caused his death. The learned counsel added that he felt some anxiety on behalf of his client, because, as he was instructed, he had for a great many years behaved exceedingly well in his capacity of a member of the Coast Blockade, and would very shortly be entitled to a pension, of which a conviction upon the present occasion would probably deprive him.

Mr. Deedes, on behalf of Miller, submitted that it would be impossible for the jury to convict him of aiding and assisting in killing the deceased, when it appeared he was merely present on his way home, and that when the fight took place he merely picked up his comrades.

Mr. Justice Erskine having summed up, the jury, after a short deliberation, found the prisoner Watts Guilty and acquitted Miller. Sentence was deferred.

This case did not terminate until near 8 o`clock in the evening.  

Dover Telegraph 23-12-1843

Kent Assizes:

George Watts and John Miller were charged with the manslaughter of Richard Spencer at Folkestone. Sir Walter Riddell conducted the prosecution, and stated the facts to the jury. The learned counsel said he would at once state that this was not a case arising out of previous malice, or containing any circumstances of peculiar aggravation, but arose out of a quarrel between the parties, who were both in the coast guard service, and were somewhat excited by liquor. He did not believe there was any ill-design against Spencer. The party had been out exercising, and after being dismissed went to a public house, where a misunderstanding took place, and on their way home, while passing through a field there was a proposal to fight it out. Several gentlemen, among whom was Earl Radnor, happened to be in the field, who interposed and would not allow the fight to take place. The party moved on, but shortly after, in another field, a fight took place. After fighting several rounds the deceased fell down, and was carried home, apparently suffering severe internal injury, and died soon after. It appeared that he had been suffering from a diseased state of the intestines, which probably predisposed to a more fatal result from other injury, but still if he was only so diseased that he might have lived for years but for the injury he received during the fight, the prisoners would justly be called to account for having been the immediate cause of his death. Several witnesses having been examined, the jury found Watts Guilty, Miller Not Guilty.

To be imprisoned for one calendar month.

Maidstone Gazette 17-2-1846, Dover Chronicle 21-2-1846

An inquest was held before Mr. J. Bond, Coroner, at the Fleur de Lis, on the 11th instant, on the body of Mr. John Elgar, aged 41 years, who met with his death by falling downstairs while intoxicated. The Jury, after hearing the evidence of the niece of the deceased, and Mr. Silvester East, surgeon, brought in a verdict of “Accidental death, caused by falling downstairs head foremost against a wooden partition at the bottom and dislocating the upper vertebrae of the neck”.

Canterbury Journal 21-2-1846 

On the 11th instant an inquest was held before Mr. J. Bond, Coroner, at the Fleur de Lis, on the body of Mr. John Elgar, aged 41 years, who met with his death by falling downstairs while intoxicated. The Jury, after hearing the evidence of the niece of the deceased, and Mr. Silvester East, surgeon, brought in a verdict of “Accidental death, caused by falling downstairs head foremost against a wooden partition at the bottom and dislocating the upper vertebrae of the neck”.    

Maidstone Gazette 24-8-1847

An inquest was held on Saturday last, before J.J. Bond, Coroner, at the Fleur de Lis on the body of Jesse Lordon, aged 38 years, a mason, who committed suicide by hanging himself in a hay loft.

George Hills, fruiterer, deposed that at a quarter past three that morning, while he was getting his pony out of the stable, the deceased came in and went up to lie down, as he said.

Daniel Poacher, a scissors grinder, deposed that at half past six o`clock that morning he went into the stable to fetch his barrow, and saw a man hanging in the loft. He cut him down and ran for assistance. The deceased was suspended from a beam, and his feet were about six inches from the ground.

Mercy Blatcher, mother-in-law to the deceased stated that about a year since the deceased appeared strange in his manner, and his spirits were much depressed. The family anticipated that he would destroy himself some day. Verdict “Temporary insanity”. The deceased has left a wife and three children totally unprovided for.

Canterbury Journal 28-8-1847 

An inquest was held on Saturday last at the Fleur de Lis on the body of Jesse Lordon, aged thirty eight years, a mason, who committed suicide by hanging himself in a hay loft. His spirits were usually much depressed and his family anticipated that he would destroy himself some day. Verdict “Temporary insanity”.

Dover Chronicle 28-8-1847

An inquest was held on Saturday last at the Fleur de Lis on the body of Jesse Lordon, aged 38 years, a mason, who committed suicide by hanging himself in a hay loft. Verdict “Temporary insanity”.

Dover Telegraph 28-8-1847

An inquest was held on Saturday last, before the Coroner, at the Fleur de Lis on the body of Jesse Lordon, aged 38 years, a mason, who committed suicide by hanging himself in a hay loft. Mercy Blatcher, mother-in-law to the deceased stated that about a year since the deceased appeared strange in his manner, and his spirits were much depressed. The family anticipated that he would destroy himself some day. Verdict “Temporary insanity”. The deceased has left a wife and three children totally unprovided for.

Southeastern Gazette 19-9-1854

Annual Licensing Day

Monday: Before the Mayor, S. Mackie, W. Major, T. Golder, G. Kennicott, and T.Kingsriorth, Esqs.

Before renewing the licenses, the Mayor addressed the publicans, informing them that a new law was passed, explaining to them the particular features of the Act, and hoped they would adhere to it. The whole of the licenses were renewed, with the exception of the Radnor Inn, Oddfellow's Arms, and the Engine Inn. Applications for new licenses were made for the George, Gun, and Belle Vue Tavern; the first only was granted, on the ground that it was a new house in the room of one pulled down. The sign of the Fleur-de-lis was changed to the Martello Tavern.

  
Note: This gives an earlier name change.

Dover Chronicle 23-9-1854

Annual Licensing Day: Before the Mayor, S. Mackie, W. Major, T. Golder, G. Kennicott and T. Kingsnorth Esqs.

The whole of the licenses were renewed, with the exception of the Radnor Inn, Oddfellows Arms and Engine Inn. Applications for new licenses were made for the George, Gun and Belle Vue Tavern; the first only was granted on the ground that it was a new house in the room of one pulled down. The sign of the Fleur de Lis was changed to the Martello Tavern.

 

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