George Carvill 1884 c1891
Charles Quested c1891 c1901 To Victoria (2)
John Fordred 1901 1906
Walter Church 1906 1934
Violet Church 1934 1940
James Benwell 1940 1947
Alice Benwell 1947 1951
Noel Findlay 1951 1952
Percy Taylor 1952 1961
Ernest Thunder 1961 1963
Folkestone
Express 13-9-1884
Hythe County Bench
Thursday, September 11th: Before Major
Kirkpatrick and Dr. Wildash
Licensing Business
This was the annual licensing session, and Supt. Maxted
presented a favourable report, which stated that there were 28 alehouses, 11
beerhouses, 4 refreshment houses, 1 brewer licensed to sell spirits, 1 wine
merchant, and 5 grocers` licenses.
The only new application was for an off licence, by
George Carvill, to sell at a house in Lime Kiln Lane. Mr. Mallam appeared in
support, and Mr. Knocker against, on behalf of the owners of the White Lion.
Mr. W.B. Foster, of Cheriton Steam Laundry, considered
the licence was much needed. It would have the effect of preventing the
formation of a proposed Working Men`s Club, which would be sure to encourage
drinking. At the present time he believed there was illicit trading going on.
The Rev. Hall-Hall considered the licence would be very
prejudicial to the welfare of the parish.
Supt. Maxted said there had been reports of illicit
trading, but he could not detect the offenders. He had no doubt beer was to be
obtained in some of the cottages.
The magistrates deferred their decision for a
fortnight.
Folkestone News
13-9-1884
Local News
Mr. G. Carvill, residing in Limekiln Lane, applied at the
Licensing Session at Hythe on Thursday for an off licence to sell beer at his
shop. Mr. Mallam appeared for the applicant and pointed out the industries
carried on in the vicinity, and the isolated character of the neighbourhood,
the nearest public house being half a mile distant. Two memorials were
presented, one from the inhabitants, and another from the workmen employed at
the kilns, laundry, and waterworks, in which, among other points, rather a
strong feature was made of the circumstance of children and young persons being
sent to the public house for beer. Mr. Foster, proprietor of the Imperial Steam
Laundry, said it was very desirable that the licence should be granted. At
present there was a good deal of illicit traffic in alcoholic liquors in the
cottages around. Mr. Knocker opposed the application in the interest of the
proprietors of the White Lion and of certain memorialists, and pointed out that
to grant a licence was not the way to stop illicit traffic. He presented a
petition against the licence signed by two of the principal farmers, the
foreman of the Waterworks, a dairyman, and some of the cottagers. He called the
Rev. Hall-Hall, Rector of Cheriton, who said he believed the majority did not
want beer sold at Mr. Carvill`s shop. The rev. gentleman thought it would be
injurious to the neighbourhood. The Bench said they would inspect the place and
give their decision at the sitting a fortnight hence.
Folkestone
Express 27-9-1884
Local News
Hythe: At the adjourned licensing meeting on Thursday
the Bench granted the application of Mr. Carvill, of Cheriton, for an
off-licence to sell beer.
Note: This pre-dates information in More
Bastions.
Folkestone News
27-9-1884
Hythe Police
Thursday, September 25th: Before Major
Kirkpatrick, A. Denne Esq., and Dr. Wildash.
The postponed decision in the case in which Mr. Carvill
applied for a licence to sell beer &c. at his shop at Cheriton was given at
this sitting of the Bench.
The Chairman said the magistrates had decided to grant
the licence. They had inspected the premises and considered all the points.
They thought the wishs of the inhabitants seemed to be nearly evenly divided
upon the subject, and they considered that it would be much better for those
who wanted beer to have it near them than to fetch it a long way. As to the
question of general order, they considered that it would be much better that
there should be a public sale of beer than what they knew must take place,
namely a great deal of illicit traffic. The liquor dealing would now be under
the control of the police, and the magistrates trusted that good order would be
observed, and that all feeling which had arisen about the matter would subside.
Folkestone Express
25-9-1897
Hythe Brewster Sessions
The Licensing Justices were Captain Baldwin, Commander
Mansell R.N., and A.S. Jones Esq.
Superintendent Waghorn reported that the licensed houses in
the district had been generally well conducted. There had been 34 convictions
for drunkenness in the year.
Mr. Quested, of the Imperial Inn, Cheriton, who holds an off
licence, applied for a full licence. Mr. Minter appeared for the applicant, and
the Rev. R.E. Johnson and Mr. Wrsfold Mowll opposed. Refused.
Sandgate
Weekly News 25-9-1897
Local News
The annual Brewster Sessions for the Elham Division was
held at Hythe on Thursday. Superintendent Waghorn`s report stated that the
houses in the district had been generally well conducted. There had been 34
convictions for drunkenness during the year.
All the licences were renewed.
Three applications for new licences, viz.: Mr. Quested,
of the Imperial Inn, Cheriton, for a full instead of an off licence; Mr. John
Bartter for an on-licence for Albion House, Cheriton; and Mr. R. Lonergan for a
provisional licence for a house to be built on the Oaks Estate, Cheriton, were
all refused.
Folkestone Herald
3-9-1898
Notice
To the Overseers of the Poor of the Parish of Cheriton, in
the County of Kent.
To the Superintendent of Police for the Division of Elham,
otherwise known as the Upper Division of Shepway, in the same County.
And to all whom it may concern.
I, Charles Robert Quested, now residing at the Imperial Beer
House, Tile Kiln, Broadmead, in the parish of Cheriton, in the County of Kent,
Grocer and beer House Keeper, being a person interested in certain premises
known as the Imperial Beer House, Kiln, Broadmead, in the parish of Cheriton,
in the County of Kent, and the cottage adjoining thereto on the Northern side
thereof, which cottage is now in the occupation of Jane Clifford, my
sub-tenant, and which Beer House and Cottage are about to be altered and
constructed for the purpose of being used as a house for the Sale of
Intoxicating Liquors to be Consumed on the Premises, do hereby give notice that
it is my intention to apply at the Adjourned General Annual Licensing Meeting
of Her Majesty`s Justices of the Peace for the said Division, to be holden in
and for the said County at the Sessions Hall, Bank Street, Hythe, in the said
County at Eleven o`clock in the forenoon, on Thursday the Twenty Second Day of
September, 1898, for the Provisional Grant of a Licence, authorising me to apply
for and hold any of the Excise Licenses that may be held by a Publican for the
sale by Retail of Intoxicating Liquors, to wit, Spirits, Wine, Beer and
Liqueurs, Cider, and Perry, to be consumed either on or off the premises at the
said Imperial Beer House, situate at Tile Kiln, Broadmead, in the parish of
Cheriton, in the County of Kent, and the cottage adjoining thereto on the
Northern side thereof, which said premises are about to be altered and
constructed as aforesaid for the purpose of being used for the sale of
Intoxicating Liquors, to be consumed either on or off the premises, and which
said premises are intended to be kept and used as an Inn, Alehouse, or
Victualling House, and of which said premises Henry Mackeson and George Laurie
Mackeson, of Hythe, in the County of Kent, Brewers, are the Owners, and of whom
I rent the same.
Given under my hand this 30th day of August, One
Thousand Eight Hundred and Ninetyeight.
Charles R. Quested.
Folkestone Herald
24-9-1898
Hythe Licensing Sessions
The Adjourned Licensing Meeting for the Elham Division of
Kent was held at Hythe on Thursday before Captains Baldwin (Chairman), Mansell,
and Smythie.
Messrs. Mackeson Brothers, Brewers, Hythe, applied for a
full licence for the Imperial Inn, at Cheriton, which they intended to rebuild.
The owners of the White Lion, the opposition public house, contested the
application. Mr. Lonergan wanted a licence for an hotel which he proposed to
erect at Cheriton. The White Lion proprietors opposed this application, as also
did the trustees of the Unity Inn, Cheriton. Both these cases were heard
together.
Mr. Minter, solicitor, Folkestone, appeared for Messrs.
Mackeson; Mr. Martyn Mowll (Mowll and Mowll, Dover), for Messrs. George Beer
and Co., brewers; Mr. Frederic Hall, Folkestone, for Mr. Lonergan; and Mr.
Barron, New Romney, for the Unity Inn trustees.
It was urged against Messrs. Mackeson`s application that as
only six houses had been built in the vicinity of the Imperial there was no
need for another full licence.
The Bench granted the application.
In the latter case, Mr. Lonergan said that out of an estate
of 300 houses which were in the course of erection, 24 were already built, and
a public house was a necessity. Opposing counsel denied that 24 houses were
erected, reducing the number to six.
This application was refused.
Folkestone Herald
22-10-1898
Local News
At the County Licensing Sessions, a few days ago, Mr. Hohler
applied for the confirmation of an order granted to Charles Robert Quested for
a full licence at Cheriton. Mr. Hind appeared for the opposition.
Mr. Hohler stated that the population of Cheriton during the
last few years had increased very much. In 1881 the Census taken was 670, in
1890 it had grown to 1,570, and at the present time undoubtedly it was over
2,000. There was only one other fully licensed house at Cheriton, the White Lion,
with the exception of the Unity, which was situated close to Shorncliffe Camp,
and a mile and a half from the house in respect of which he applied that day.
The Elham Magistrates, before granting the licence, inspected the site of the
new premises proposed to be erected if the Committee confirmed their decision,
and were quite satisfied. The Rev. R.E. Johnson and the trade opposed the
granting of the licence. The former, in his “Parish Magazine”, gave his
reasons, which were very candid. He stated in this periodical that he did not
blame the Magistrates; they gave the case very grave consideration, and in view
of the existing state of the law and public opinion they did not act wantonly.
Proceeding, Counsel stated that since 1887 to 1898, 172 new houses had been
built.
Applicant stated that he had held an “off” beer licence at
Cheriton for 10½ years, and had never had any complaints made. He was of
opinion that there was need for further accommodation.
By Mr. Hind: There was a grocers` licence. He should
estimate there were 20 houses built near him during the last year.
Ernest Stringer Wilks, surveyor, of Hythe and Folkestone,
said he drew up the plan (produced). Since 1887 there had been 308 houses
built, or in the course of erection. There was some very valuable building land
in the vicinity.
Edgar Wilson, surveyor, of Cheriton, and Richard Pilcher,
builder, also gave evidence.
Mr. Hind, for the opposition, contended that no additional
licence at all was necessary at Cheriton. If he was wrong in that contention,
then he should certainly contend that no additional licence was required at
that particular site, and, further, he hoped to show that there were several
reasons why a licence should not be granted in that particular locality. The
White Lion was to be considerably enlarged, and sufficient accommodation would
then be provided for the village. He also reminded the Committee that the house
was 500 yards from the high road, and therefore was difficult for police
supervision. Learned Counsel proceeded to recite reasons why it was desirable
that no licence should be granted. He impressed upon them that this opposition
was not brought forward through bigotry and mistaken views of temperance. He
called the Rev. Robert Edwin Johnson M.A., Vicar of All Souls, Cheriton, who
said he opposed the licence before the justices in 1897, when the licence was
refused. The locality had not materially altered since then. He had resided in
the parish for 8½ years, and he believed if a licence were granted to this house,
it would have a most injurious effect upon the parish. He was not prepared to
say an application might not be made in the future for a licence somewhere in
the neighbourhood. He was perfectly sure an immense amount of injury would be
done to the whole village if this application was granted.
By Mr. Hohler: When the population in the vicinity of the
Imperial public house in respect of which application was made reached 1,000
the matter might be considered. When the White Lion was finished it would
provide ample accommodation.
The Recorder: You have told us that if this licence were
granted it would be so injurious to the village, the extent of which you could
not forecast, but you have not given us any reason for this statement.
Rev. R.E. Johnson: I mean that if the licence is granted to
this house, a quarter of a mile from the main road, immediately outside the
gates of the laundry, and in a district perpetually frequented by soldiers from
the Camp, it could not fail to produce a very detrimental effect on the
morality of the parish.
Proceeding, the Rev. gentleman said another reason why he
objected to the licence was that it would be a temptation to the workmen at the
brickworks, and the hands of the laundry, to waste their money and their time.
General Hallam Parr, Commandant of the Forces at
Shorncliffe, residing at Cheriton, not far from the site of the Imperial, said
he should very much regret it if the licence were granted. The position of the
laundry, from the military point of view, was very unfortunate. He had had to
have mounted patrols to keep order. He could make the laundry and the White
Lion “out of bounds”, but he should be very loth to do that, as he would be
separating the men from civilian friends, which was most undesirable.
Colonel Ward, Chief Constable for Kent, spoke as to
complaints having been received as to the behaviour of the laundry girls and
the soldiers, in consequence of which he had had to station another constable
in the village. He thought it most undesirable that another licence should be
granted, because he found there were ample means now for getting too much to
drink.
The Chairman said the Committee thought, from the evidence
given, the licence was not required, and the application would be refused.
Folkestone Herald
28-4-1906
Elham County Bench
Thursday, April 26th: Before Mr. J. Du Boulay,
Colonel H. Mallett, Captain Mansell, and Messrs. F.D. Brockman, A.S. Jones, and
F.D. Burke.
The licence of the Imperial Beer House, Cheriton, was
transferred to Walter John Church until the next transfer day (24th
May).
Note: Date is at variance with More
Bastions.
Folkestone Express
26-5-1906
Hythe Police Court
Thursday, May 24th: Before J. Du Boulay, F.E. Burke,
A.S. Jones, F.A. Mackinnon and E.S. Thompson Esqs.
The licence of the Imperial, High Street, Cheriton, was
transferred to Walter John Church.
Note: Date is at variance with More
Bastions.
Folkestone Herald
26-5-1906
Elham County Bench
Thursday, May 24th: Before Mr. J. Du Boulay,
Messrs. A.S. Jones, F.E. Burke, E.S. Thompson, and F.A. Mackinnon.
The licence of the Imperial Inn, Cheriton, was transferred
to Walter John Church.
Note: Date is at variance with More
Bastions
Folkestone
Herald 13-1-1934
Local News
Seabrook Magistrates on Thursday granted the
application of Mrs. W.J. Church, of the Imperial, Cheriton, for the transfer to
her of the off licence held by her late husband, Councillor W.J. Church.
Folkestone Express
11-2-1939
Annual Licensing Sessions
On Wednesday, at the
Folkestone Licensing Sessions, the justices had before them applications for
the removal of the licences of the Princess Royal in South Street and the South
Foreland in Seagate Street to premises, for which there were off licences at
present, at Morehall and Cheriton respectively, but they refused both. The
proceedings lasted throughout the whole of the day until the early evening.
The South Foreland
The Justices considered
the application of Mr. Frank Jordan for the removal of the licence of the South
Foreland, Seagate Street, to the Imperial, an off-licence in Ashley Avenue.
Mr. Gerald Theisiger appeared
on behalf of Mr. Jordan and Messrs. Mackeson and Co., the owners of the South
Foreland and the Imperial, in support of the application. Mr. Rutley Mowll, Mr.
B.H. Bonniface, Mr. L. Pocock, and the Rev. W.J.T. Brown appeared in opposition
to the application.
Mr. Theisiger said both
sites were owned by Messrs. Mackeson and Co. Mr. Jordan had held the licence of
the South Foreland for a number of years and was the third generation of his family
to do so. There was a slightly increasing trade being carried on at the South
Foreland, which was situated in a part of Folkestone served by a number of
houses. There were five or six fully licensed houses within 100 yards of it.
The population where it was situated was moving out to the north, where they
desired that the licence should he removed. Messrs. Mackeson were ready and
willing to give the undertaking that if the application was granted the site of
the South Foreland would not be used afterwards for a club.
Mr. Bonniface: That would
satisfy me and in that event my opposition is withdrawn.
Mr. Theisiger said his
clients were satisfied with the trade they were doing at the Imperial, which
had a beer off-licence. They were doing a good trade in draught beer. Plans had
been prepared of the house it was proposed to be erected and in those plans
they had not provided for any accommodation for children. He was quite sure if
that sort of accommodation was required it could he provided and the matter
could be considered at the adjourned sessions. They really did not think such
accommodation was required, but they did think that something was required
there in the nature of club premises. Within a circle with a
diameter of half a mile there were no other licensed premises. Within
three-quarters of d mile there was the White Lion Hotel, and to fly between the
two would be 600 yards. There was no question of being able to take a bus from
that particular spot to the White Lion. Within a circle of a quarter of a mile
diameter there were 180 houses, 15 of them within the last four or five years,
within half a mile 726, 202 of them being new, so there were at least 3,000
people in that district. In the circle with a three-quarter mile diameter there
were 1,461 houses, 299 of which were new. He wished to hand in a
petition signed by 296 people all living within the second circle, and all were
to the west of the old borough boundary. In the district immediately to the
north of the Imperial, a building estate was being developed and the plans were
passed last August by the Folkestone Estate. There were 180 houses at about
£600 per house to be erected. The Folkestone Estate welcomed that proposal
with regard to the licence. In Shaftesbury Avenue, before the end of the
summer, about 80 houses would have been completed by the Folkestone Corporation.
Customs and Excise, he pointed out to the Magistrates that if they granted the
application there would be new rateable value as a result of the alterations
that would be carried out.
Commander Findlay, the
Managing Director of Messrs. Mackeson, said the trade in beer at the South
Foreland had slightly increased over the last three years. At the Imperial, an
off-licensed house, the trade in beer was considerable. He knew that customers
bought beer at the house and then went outside and drank it. They then came in
and bought more beer before going home. He had been informed by, and had had a
letter from, Messrs. Smith, Woolley and Co., of the Folkestone Estate, to the
effect that plans for the development of a building estate to the north of Tile
Kiln. Lane for 180 houses had been prepared. The Corporation were carrying out
on a site at Shaftesbury Avenue building operations, and 20 houses out of 89
had already been completed. There had been considerable development in this
district.
Cross-examined by Mr.
Mowll, witness said the Company would be giving up a good trade by removing the
licence from near the Harbour. He supposed they were looking at the removal of
the licence from a business point of view.
The Clerk read the
petition presented by Mr. Theisiger and it stated that the petitioners
considered a lull licence was necessary.
Mr. P. Driver,
Shaftesbury Avenue, said he was the owner of a dairy business and had lived in
the district for 40 years. He supported the application. From his observations
be considered it would be far better for people to go into the premises to
consume their drink instead of
drinking beer on the road outside, mixing with the children and being a
nuisance to people passing that way.
Mr. A. D. Dawkins,
employed by Messrs. Mackeson and Co., gave evidence that he and two others
obtained the signatures to tlie petition in favour. The signatures, ho said,
were of people who lived to the west of the old borough boundary, and resided
chiefly in Ashley Avenue, Shaftesbury Avenue and the cottages in the immediate
neighbourhood. At almost every house they obtained a signature.
Mr. Rutley Mowll said he would
be very brief. What struck him in that particular case could be described by
the remark Mark Twain made when he found that his death was reported the
papers, and he wrote and said “It is entirely premature”.
Mr. Pocock, for the
Customs and Excise, said the Magistrates must as bitterly resent that
application as he did. It was as much his duty to protect the public as theirs.
He thought they would realise that there was a tremendous demand in that
particular area and it really meant a new licence, as compared with a licence
in an area where within 100 yards there were five or six licences. The
applicants were seeking to get away from that competition and to go where there
was very little competition at all. Definitely they were trying to get
something for nothing, and that was unfair. They should pay something into the
public pocket for such a removal.
The Rev. W.J.T. Brown
presented a petition, bearing 152 signatures, against the application being
carried. He said he did not think there was a real demand for that particular
kind of house, and he did not think it was desirable that such places as the
Imperial should be turned into small clubs. He also spoke of the proximity of
two laundries to the Imperial and the temptation it would be to the young
people employed in them if there was a public house there instead.
The Chairman, after the
Magistrates had considered their decision in private, said the application to
remove the licence of the South Foreland was not approved.
Folkestone Herald
11-2-1939
Annual Licensing Sessions
Two applications were made at the annual Folkestone
licensing Sessions held at the Town Hall on Wednesday, for the removal of the
licences of two public houses to other premises in the borough. There was a
considerable amount of opposition to both proposals, which affected residential
districts that have developed rapidly during the past few years. After a
lengthy hearing both applications were refused.
The Magistrates heard an application by Messrs.
Mackeson and Company, Ltd., for a provisional ordinary removal of the fullv
licensed South Foreland, Seagate Street, to the Imperial off-licence premises
in Tile Kiln Lane, Cheriton.
The applicants were represented by Mr. Gerald A.
Thesiger. The application was opposed by Mr. Rutley Mowll, who appeared for the
proprietors of the White Lion Hotel (Messrs. George Beer and Rigden) and Mr.
H.T. Samway, the licensee; Mr. B.H. Bonniface, who represented the Folkestone and District Licensed
Victuallers’ Association; the Rev. W.J.T. Brown; and Mr. L. Pocock, representing
the Customs and Excise. Mr. Bonniface’s opposition was later withdrawn when it
was stated that Messrs. Mackeson would give an undertaking that the South
Foreland would not afterwards be used as a registered club.
Mr. Thesiger stated that both sites were owned by Messrs.
Mackeson and Company Ltd., who were local brewers. Mr. Jordan, who was the
licensee of the South Foreland, had held that position for many years and was the
third generation of the family to do so. There was a slight increase in the trade of the house, which was situated in a part of Folkestone where there were a number of other houses. There were in fact live or six other licensed premises within a few hundred yards of that site The population of that district was
moving to the north and the applicants desired that the licence should follow
those people who had been accustomed to taking refreshments, at the South Foreland.
It was the desire of the applicants that the working man should treat the
premises as a kind of club. In the actual plans of the proposed new building
no allowance had been made for a room to be set apart for children, but
provision could be made. What was required in that district was a club for men to forget their
family worries a little, and he did not think there would be any need for a
room for women and children. He had drawn two circles around the Imperial on a map, one with a
diameter of a quarter of a mile and the second with a diameter of half a mile.
Within the first circle there was no other public house whatsoever and that was
also the case in regard to the second circle. A circle with a diameter of three-quarters of a
mile did admittedly bring in the White Lion Hotel, but for those in the
district of North Cheriton there was no bus to the White Lion and they had to
walk. He did not think there were any other material premises within that
circle. In the smallest circle there were 180 houses, 15 of which had been built
during the past four or five years. In the second circle there were 726 houses,
202 of which were new, and the population would be roughly 3,000, served only
by the existing “off” licence premises. In the largest circle there were 1,461
houses, 299 of which were new, the only fully licensed premises being the White
Lion. Mr. Thesiger then produced a petition in favour of the application
which, he said, had been signed bv 296 people, all living west of the old
boundary.There was, he continued, an estate being developed in north-east
Cheriton on which 180 £600 houses were being erected, and the Folkestone
Estate, who were developing the land, had no objection to the application. There was also another building site being
developed in the neighbourhood of Shaftesbury Avenue on which 80 houses were
being built.
One would have thought that the case for the
temperance opposition would be served by the fact that the Company were
providing decent premises. Many people at the present time, after buying their
drinks at the “off” licence premises, consumed them in the street.
Commander N.C.M. Findlay, Managing Director of
Messrs. Mackeson and Company, Ltd., said that the
Imperial “off” licence had very considerable
trade. Some of their customers, much against the company's wish, did actually
drink their beer outride the premises and then go in again to get warm before
going home. He did not think that the granting of a full licence to the Imperial
would affect the White Lion Hotel.
Mr. Pocock: You intend to pull down the old
premises and build another, don’t you?
Witness: Yes.
How much will it cost? - Between £2,000 and £3,000.
You would not spend that amount and not expect any
return? - No, of course not.
You admit there is a great demand there? – Yes.
Philip Driver, Woodfield House, Shaftesbury Avenue,
giving evidence in favour of the application, also referred to the fact that
drink was consumed outside the “off” premises in the sight of children.
Arthur E.
Dawkins, employed by Messrs. Mackeson gave evidence with regard to collecting
names for the petition.
Mr. Mowll said he would quote the words of Mark
Twain when he found that he was reported as being dead, said “It is entirely
premature”.
Mr. Pocock said if was as much his duty as the duty
of the Bench to protect the public in such cases. They had been told that the
South Foreland was within a few hundred yards of five or six other licensed
premises where there was competition, and the applicants wanted to remove the
licence to a place where there was little competition. In other words they were
trying to get something for nothing. It seemed to him that it was unfair,
unjust and wrong. He considered they should pay monopoly value.
The Rev. W.J.T. Brown said he did not believe there
was any real demand for that kind of house in the district, and he did not
think it was desirable that they should be turned into clubs. Within a short
distance of the Imperial there was a large laundry at which there were many
young people employed. Mr. Brown put in a petition against the application,
signed by 152 people.
The Magistrates announced that the application
would be refused.
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