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Wonder Tavern 1890s



Folkestone Express 3-5-1890

Saturday, April 26th: Before The Mayor, Capt. Carter, Alderman Pledge and J. Clarke Esq.

Charles Kosh was charged with stealing money from a till at the New Inn on the previous afternoon.

Susan Standing, barmaid at the inn, said the prisoner went in for a glass of ale. She served him and left him there alone. As she turned away she heard the money rattle. The till contained seven sixpences and a threepenny piece, and about 3s. in bronze. When the prisoner left she missed four sixpences and some coppers. Anyone on the outer side of the bar could reach the till, the key of which was left in the lock.

Sergeant Pay said he apprehended the prisoner at the Wonder Tavern in Beach Street. He was sitting in the smoking room. He was not drinking, and was sober. He charged him with stealing four sixpences and 2s. in coppers from a till at teh New Inn. He replied “You have made a mistake. I went in with a man who treated me to a glass of ale, and I came out with him”. At the police station he said he knew nothing about any till. He aws searched and three sixpences and 3d. in bronze found upon him.

Prisoner said he was out of work, and had walked from London. He had been drinking and hardly knew what he was up to. He admitted that he had done wrong, and was sorry for it. He had work to go to, and would leave off drinking from that day. He had a wife and four children, and he knew he ought to know better.

The Bench committed the prisoner for trial at the Sessions, he having been previously convicted.

Holbein`s Visitors` List 9-7-1890

Quarter Sessions

At the Quarter Sessions held at the Town Hall on Monday, there were only two prisoners for trial, but there were two indictments in one case and three in the other. The Recorder was unable to be present, and Mr. Abel John Rann acted as his deputy. It is an open secret that the Recorder is engaged in a case at present pending in the High Courts, in which the Victoria Pier sharehiolders are deeply interested.

A true bill having been returned against Charles Kosh, he was indicted for stealing 4s., the monies of Henry Gower, of the New Inn, on the 28th April.

Mr. Hume Williams appeared for the prosecution, and having briefly stated the facts, called Susan Stanley, barmaid at the New Inn. She deposed that about five o`clock on the evening of 28th April prisoner came in and ordered a glass of beer. He tendered sixpence and she gave him the change. She went into a side room behind the bar, and heard the chink of coppers. Had counted the money just before, when there were six sixpences, a threepenny bit, and about 4s. worth of coppers. When she heard the noise she went at once to the till and again counted the money. There were only two sixpences, a threepenny bit, and about 2s. in coppers. The till could be reached from the front of the counter. No-one else was in the bar at the same time as the prisoner.

In reply to prisoner, witness admitted that she did not see him touch any money or the till. Mr. Gower sent Sergeant Pay after him at once, but he did not find him until about 6.40. Prisoner asked further questions as to the number of sixpences in the till, contending that if there were six at the time they were counted there must have been seven after he had paid another one. He had no recollection of having been in the house at all.

P.S. Pay proved apprehending Kosh at the Wonder, in Beach Street, about 6.40. Prisoner said he had made some mistake, but went quietly to the station. On being searched there were found on him three sixpences and threepence in bronze.

Mr. Hume Williams said prisoner had made a statement which was virtually an admission of his guilt.

The jury expressed a desire to retire, on the ground that they were not satisfied as to the number of sixpences, but the Deputy Recorder explained to them that if they were satisfied the prisoner took any money from the till their verdict must be one of Guilty.

After a brief consultation the jury returned a verdict of Guilty, and prisoner was then charged with having been convicted of a felony before the borough Magistrates.

The Recorder: Are you Guilty or Not Guilty?

Prisoner: I don`t know (Laughter)

The Recorder: But what did the magistrates say; did they find you guilty?

Prisoner: They fined me ten and sixpence (Laughter)

The Superintendent of Police said prisoner formerly belonged to the Engineers, and left with a good character. He had been in the town for some time, but except the two charges brought that day there was nothing against them.

The Deputy Recorder told prisoner he had been convicted on the clearest possible evidence, and that was not his first conviction. He would take into consideration the fact that prisoner had already been imprisoned more than two months, but warned him that if he came there, or before any court, again he would receive a long sentence of imprisonment, or else penal servitude. The sentence would be three months` hard labour.

Folkestone Chronicle 12-7-1890

Quarter Sessions

Monday, July 7th: Before Abel John Ram Esq.

Charles Kosh, described as a bricklayer, was charged with stealing 4s. from the till of the New Inn, Dover Road, the money of Henry Gower, on the 28th April.

Mr. Hume-Williams prosecuted, and the prisoner, who was undefended, pleaded Not Guilty, stating that he did not remember going into the house.

Susan Stanley stated that she was barmaid at the New Inn, and on Monday, the 28th of April, she remembered prisoner being in the bar. He called for a glass of beer and put down a sixpence. Witness gave him the change and went out of the bar into a side room, leaving in the till six sixpences, four shillings, and some bronze money. After she had left the bar a few moments she heard a rattling of coin and went back to see what it was. She got there just in time to see the prisoner leaving the house. Witness examined the till and found that the prisoner had taken four sixpences, a threepenny piece, and about two shillings in coppers. There were two sixpences left. No-one but the prisoner was in the bar, and anyone standing in front of the bar could reach over to the till. Witness counted the money in the till a few minutes before the prisoner was served.

Prisoner remarked that he did not remember anything about the offence, but it seemed a strange thing that the witness should say she counted six sixpences before he was served, and that there were only two left when she missed the money, because she had admitted that he had paid her sixpence for the drink. He should have thought four from seven left three.

The witness appeared to be rather muddled as to the actual number of sixpences in the till and afterwards stated that there were three left.

Sergeant Pay said in consequence of information which he received he went in search of the prisoner on the evening of the 28th of April, and found him in the Wonder Tavern. He told him he would be charged with stealing the money, and he replied “You have made a mistake. I went in with a man who treated me and I came out with him”. On searching him he found three sixpences and some coppers.

The prisoner`s statement before the Magistrates was then read, in which he said he had been out of work for some time, and had been drunk ever since the previous Saturday night. He admitted that he had done wrong, and he was sorry for it. He ought to have known better, when he had a wife and four children at home.

The Recorder having summed up, the jury expressed a wish to retire, and in answer to The Recorder, Mr. Mercer stated that there was a difference amongst them as to the number of sixpences.

The Recorder pointed out that it was not exactly a question as to the number of sixpences. What they had to decide was whether the prisoner was guilty of taking any money at all.

After a little further consideration the jury returned a verdict of Guilty.

Superintendent Taylor stated that the prisoner was convicted for felony at Folkestone on the 23rd of February, 1890.

The Recorder (to prisoner): Is that correct? Did the Magistrates find you Guilty?

Prisoner: No, sir; they fined me 10s. 6d. (Laughter)

Supt. Taylor said the prisoner formerly belonged to the Royal Engineers, and was discharged in 1882 with a good character. He had lived in the town for several years, but he knew nothing further against him.

Mr. Hume Williams said in fairness to the prisoner he would like to remind The Recorder that he had been in prison since April 28th.

The Recorder said he was sorry it was not the occasion on which the prisoner had been in trouble. There were two serious charges of felony against him. He had already been three months in prison, and under those circumstances he would deal lightly with him, but he would warn him that if he was ever taken before another court he would receive a term of imprisonment three times as long as he was about to pass upon him, and perhaps penal servitude. Drunkenness appeared to be his evil and he would recommend him to overcome it in the future. He would be sentenced to three months` hard labour.

Folkestone Express 12-7-1890

Quarter Sessions

Monday, July 7th: Before Abel John Ram Esq.

Charles Kosh, a bricklayer, was indicted for stealing 4s., the money of Henry Gower, landlord of the New Inn, on the 28th April. The prisoner said he did not remember going into the house. The facts of the case were very simple. The prisoner went into the bar and called for a glass of ale. He was served, and the barmaid went into the bar parlour, leaving the prisoner standing in front of the bar. She heard the money in the till rattle, and on going in missed 4s. Mr. Hume Williams prosecuted.

Susan Stanley, barmaid at the New Inn, Dover Road, said on Monday, the 28th April, the prisoner went to the bar and asked for a glass of beer, and tendered 6d. She served him and gave him 4½d. change. As she was leaving the bar to go into a side room she heard the money in the till rattle. There were six sixpences, four shillings, and some coppers. She went back and found two sixpences, a threepenny piece, and about 2s. in coppers in teh till. Anyone standing in front of the bar could reach over the counter and reach the till. No-one but prisoner was in the bar at the time. She had counted the contents of the till a few minutes before the prisoner went in.

In answer to the Deputy Recorder, the witness said there were three sixpences left in the till.

Sergt. Pay proved apprehending the prisoner at 6.40 p.m. at the Wonder Tavern, Beach Street. He told him the charge, and he replied “You have made a mistake. I went in with a man, who treated me to a glass of ale, and I came out with him”. On being searched there were found on him three sixpences and some coppers.

Prisoner`s statement before the Magistrates was read. He admitted in it that he had done wrong. He had been out of work and had been drinking about for several days.

The jury expressed a desire to retire and consider the point as to the number of sixpences.

The Recorder told them, however, that the number was immaterial. The only question was whether prisoner took any money. It was clear there were not so many sixpences when he left as there were when the young woman counted the money.

The jury consulted for some minutes in the box, and then returned a verdict of Guilty.

A previous conviction was proved against him of felony in February, 1890, when he was fined 10s. 6d.

Supt. Taylor said the prisoner was formerly in the Engineers. He had resided for several years in the town, and with the tow exceptions named he had borne a good character.

Mr. Hume Williams drew the Deputy Recorder`s attention to the fact that the prisoner had been in custody for two months.

A sentence of three months` hard labour was passed upon the prisoner. The Deputy Recorder called the prosecutor and asked him as to the position of the till, which he was informed had been altered.

Folkestone News 12-7-1890

Quarter Sessions

Monday, July 7th: Before Abel John Ram Esq.

The Grand Jury returned a true bill against Charles Kosh, bricklayer, for stealing 4s., the monies of Henry Gower, landlord of the New Inn, on the 28th April.

Mr. Hume Williams, barrister, briefly stated the case for the prosecution and called Susan Stanley, who said she was barmaid at the New Inn. At 5 o`clock on Monday, 28th April, the prisoner came into the bar and ordered a glass of beer. He gave her sixpence, and she gave him the change. As she was going into a room behind the bar she heard the rattle of coppers, and at once went out to the till and counted the money. She knew what was in the till, having counted it just before prisoner came in. When she counted it first there were six sixpences, one threepenny bit, and about 4s. in coppers. At the second count there were only two sixpences, one threepenny bit, and about 2s. in coppers. No-one else came into the bar while prisoner was there. The till could be reached from the outside of the counter. The coins were certainly taken while prisoner was in the bar.

In answer to the prisoner, witness said she found only two sixpences in the till after prisoner had left. Prisoner contended that if he had given a sixpence, as witness said, there must have been three, if there were six before, and he had only taken four.

P.S. Pay said he apprehended prisoner about 6.40 on the 28th April, at the Wonder, in Beach Street. Prisoner said he had made a mistake, as he only went in with a man who treated him to a glass of ale. On being searched at the station there were three sixpences and threepence in bronze found on him.

Mr. Hume Williams said prisoner had made a statement before the Magistrates that he had walked from London in search of work and had been drinking about in Folkestone for several days. He admitted that he had done wrong and was sorry for it. He would leave off drinking for the future.

In reply to the Recorder, the prisoner said it was quite true he had been drinking about, and he did not know whether he was in the New Inn or not on the date in question. He hoped it would be taken into consideration that he had already been in prison more than two months.

The jury expressed a wish to retire, as they were not satisfied as to the number of sixpences, but the Deputy Recorder said all they had to consider was whether prisoner took any money from the till. After a few minutes consultation a verdict of Guilty was returned. In sentencing the prisoner to three months` imprisonment with hard labour, the Deputy Recorder said he had taken into consideration the long time prisoner had been in gaol, but he warned him that if he came before any Court again on a similar charge he would receive a sentence of a long term of imprisonment or else of penal servitude. The Deputy Recorder called Mr. Gower forward and questioned him as to the till. It was very wrong of people to put temptation in the way of their fellow creatures. Mr. Gower said he had since had the till removed, and the Deputy Recorder expressed his satisfaction.

Folkestone Chronicle 27-9-1890

Adjourned Licensing Sessions

Wednesday, September 24th: Before The Mayor, Colonel De Crespigny, Major Poole, Alderman Pledge, and J. Clark Esq.

In the case of the Wonder Tavern (Mrs. Laslett), police constable Lilley stated that on the morning of the 29th of December (Sunday), about twenty minutes past seven, he saw some people go into the Wonder Tavern. Witness went inside and saw two men in the bar and asked them their business. They made no reply. He saw Mrs. Laslett drop her apron over something, and when he asked her what they wanted she said they had come to pay some money.

Mr. Minter defended, and the licence was granted with a caution.

Folkestone Express 27-9-1890

Wednesday, September 24th: Before The Mayor, Colonel De Crespigny, J. Clark, J. Pledge, W.G. Herbert, and H.W. Poole Esqs.

Adjourned Licenses

This was the adjourned licensing session, and several certificates which had been postponed were applied for.

The Wonder Tavern

Mr. Laslett applied for a renewal of the licence of the Wonder Tavern.

The Supt. of Police opposed on the ground that on the 29th of December there were persons found on the premises during prohibited hours, on a Sunday morning.

P.C. Lilley said the two men he found on the premises said nothing in reply to the question as to why they were there. The landlord said they came to pay him a little money.

Mr. Minter said that was the real fact. Applicant would be very careful in future.

The Bench cautioned the applicant as to his future conduct of the house and granted the renewal.

Folkestone Chronicle 6-2-1892

Saturday, January 30th: Before J. Holden Esq., and Alderman Pledge.

George Laslett, landlord of the Wonder Tavern, was summoned for allowing intoxicating liquors to be consumed on the premises during prohibited hours on the 24th January.

P.S. Swift stated that he watched the defendant`s house on Sunday morning, the 24th of January, in company with Sergeant Lilley. At half past seven the blinds were drawn up and the private door opened by the defendant. At 7.40 three men went to the private door, knocked, and were let in by the defendant. They remained in the house five minutes, and when they came out two men went in. They came out at 7.50, and two more men went in, being admitted by the defendant. They remained five minutes, came out, and one man went in. At five minutes past eight – four minutes later – two more men were admitted by the defendant, and witness then went to the private bar door. He saw the defendant there cleaning his kettle. Witness said “Do you know me?” He replied “Yes”. Whilst he was speaking to defendant he saw Mrs. Laslett walk from the direction of the bar engine to the other side and stand a pint of beer on the window ledge, and put some money into a man`s hand. Witness then went to the passage, where the two men were. One man, named Nash, had a pint of beer in his hand. Witness said to defendant “What are these men doing here?” He replied “There is only one. I didn`t know they were there”. Sergeant Lilley was then let in the private door by the defendant. He told defendant he should report him for keeping his house open, and he replied “All right”.

Mr. Minter, who appeared for the defendant, and also for the brewers, Messrs. Flint, said the owners were a highly respectable firm and did all they possibly could to compel their tenants to conform with the licensing laws. They would not overlook any breach on the part of their tenants, and he thought Supt. Taylor would confirm what he said about the conduct of Messrs. Flint. The Licensed Victuallers Association, for whom he had appeared several times, tried to impress upon their members the necessity of obeying the law. He had also pointed out the folly to them. Pecunarily they were not benefitting themselves, because, for the sale o a paltry half a dozen pints of beer, they ran that great risk. The defendant had been fourteen years in the house and had never had a conviction, and probably, if there were some intimation from the Bench, the brewers would allow him to remain. The defendant was extremely sorry for what had happened. It was his living, and he had imperilled it; and, as the Bench were strong, he asked them to be merciful to him.

The Chairman said the Bench thought considerable praise was due to Sergeant Swift for the way he had brought the case under their notice. The police had had great difficulty in that neighbourhood. When he received the charge sheet he was very much surprised to see the defendant`s name on it, because he had always known him as a respectable man. The case was as clear as daylight. The maximum fine was £10, but they would reduce it to 50s. The licence would not be endorsed.

Folkestone Herald 6-2-1892
Editorial

Prohibited Hours

A subject that the Licensed Victuallers` Association of Folkestone should take in hand, and endeavour to enlighten their members upon, is the question of whether a publican has the right or not to keep his house open during what are called prohibited hours. It is a common and a fallacious belief that on the Sunday every house should be strictly closed with the exception of the respite allowed by law. This is a mistake, and it is one into which not the police, but the Magistrates themselves, fall. A reference to the Licensing Act proves this. The offence in keeping open does not consist in the mere fact that a landlord has left his doors unclosed, but that he has done so for the purpose of the sale of intoxicating liquors. Every door and window upon a publican`s premises may be left open from the beginning of the week until the end, provided that the object is not to facilitate the sale of commodities which have to pay a certain duty to the Inland Revenue. For a like reason no-one has to fear the pains and penalties of the law if found upon licensed premises during prohibited hours provided he can prove he was not there for the purpose of purchasing liquor. Of course the law naturally presumes that de facto a man being found on licensed premises, he is there with that object in view. Publicans, any more than other tradesmen, do not as a rule make free gifts of what they vend to those who choose to favour them with their company. But when P.S. Swift told an erring landlord, as he did according to his evidence on Saturday, that he should report him for keeping his house open during prohibited hours, he was charging him with an offence that does not exist. And the Chairman of the Bench was equally abroad when he told the defendant that he had been found guilty of doing so. The offence did not lie in the mere fact that the doors of the house were open, and that men had been seen to enter and leave, but rather that the landlady was stated to have served some of them. Even, however, in that respect the offence was not brought home, for it was not shown there had been any sale, without which an infringement of the Act could not take place. On the face of such a transaction Magistrates would rule, as they are entitled to, that the case has been established, subject to the version which might be given on oath by the landlord and those found upon his premises. In the case to which we are alluding, the solicitor who defended did not attempt to upset that presented by the police – he could hardly do so – but he contented himself with an ad misercordiam plea, which was most ably and judiciously argued, and was not without it`s effect. Our only reason for alluding to this case is that a great many people seem to fancy that during what are known as prohibited hours a publican has no right to admit even the fresh air of Heaven by opening his doors, and that the presence of a friend or a stranger upon his premises during them is sufficient to draw down upon him some of those pains and penalties which are held over his head. To show the foolishness of such an idea we have only to ask anyone to refer to the Act itself and see if they can find in it any section which expressly exempts any doctor or minister of the Gospel from the possible penalties which ordinary people risk in entering upon licensed premises during prohibited hours. They would fail to find anything of the kind. We remember a case tried a few years ago in an adjoining county where the landlord was charged with a breach of the licensing laws. He proved upon his oath, as did the guests themselves, that those whom he was entertaining were his own relations. The Bench admitted his plea, but were sorry that according to the Act (their own construction of it) they had no option but to inflict a fine. When their decision was appealed against they were speedily set right and the conviction was of course quashed.

Local News

At the Police Court on Saturday before Mr. Holden, Aldermen Sherwood and Pledge, and Mr. Spurgen, George Laslett, landlord of the Wonder Tavern, was charged with selling intoxicating liquors during prohibited hours. The defendant was represented by Mr. Minter, who, on his behalf pleaded Guilty, and made a very powerful appeal, commending him to the tender mercies of their Worships, pointing out that if they so decreed it the firm by whom the defendant was engaged, Messrs. Flint, of Canterbury, would have to give him notice to leave the house. This in itself would be a severe punishment, but he trusted the Bench, by their action, not to render it necessary. Representing the Licensed Victuallers as a body, he had endeavoured to point out to them all the necessity of completely obeying the law, and not opening their houses during prohibited hours. He had spoken to men in the position of the defendant of the folly of doing so. He had tried to make them understand that pecuniarily they were not benefitting themselves, for the money to be gained by selling half a dozen pints of beer was nothing in comparison with the risk they ran. In many instances the Society had prevailed upon it`s members to take that view. With regard to the present case, it was a lamentable one, for the defendant was a respectable man, who had been getting an honest and comfortable living until, for the sake of a few paltry pence, he committed the egregious folly with which he was charged.

Sergeant Swift then proved the case, showing that on Sunday, the 24th of January, he saw a number of men admitted by the defendant into his premises, who (paper torn here), and upon one occasion, when he entered in company with P.S. Lilley, he saw the defendant`s wife serve men with drinks.

Mr. Pledge asked if there was anything against the defendant.

Mr. Minter said he had never been before the Bench before. Not a single summons had been taken out against him.

The Superintendent added there had been no conviction, but in November, 1890, he was cautioned by the Bench as to the conduct of his house.

Mr. Minter said it was a very difficult house to keep in order on account of the neighbourhood, but they had always done the best they could, and he was quite sure the defendant would reform in the future.

The Bench, after consultation, decided to fine the defendant 50s. and 9s. costs, the licence not to be endorsed, a decision for which Mr. Minter, for the defendant, thanked them “very much”.

The Chairman also complimented P.S. Swift upon the manner in which he had brought the case before the Bench.

Folkestone Chronicle 13-2-1892

Saturday, February 6th: Before The Mayor, Alderman Banks. Major H.W. Poole, and W.G. Herbert Esq.

Richard Nash, who did not appear, and Frederick Collins were charged with being found at the Wonder Tavern during prohibited hours on Sunday the 24th ult.

P.C. Swift proved the charge.

Collins was fined 1s. and 9s. costs, and Nash 1s. and 10s. costs.

Folkestone Express 13-2-1892

Saturday, February 6th: Before The Mayor, Alderman Banks, H.W. Poole and W.G. Herbert Esqs.

Richard Nash and Frederick Collins were summoned for being on licensed premises on Sunday, 24th January. Nash did not appear, but he had sent to the police saying he was going to sea, and was ready to pay any fine the Magistrates might inflict.

Sergt. Swift said he found the defendants at ten minutes past eight on Sunday morning in the Wonder Tavern, the landlord of which house was convicted the previous Saturday, and fined 50s. and 10s. costs.

Defendants were fined 1s. each, and 10s. in one case, and 11s. costs in the other.

Folkestone Herald 13-2-1892

Saturday, February 6th: Before The Mayor, Alderman Banks, Mr. Poole and Mr. Herbert

Fred Collins and Richard Nash were summoned for having “been on licensed premises during prohibited hours”. They pleaded Guilty, and offered no explanation.

“Then you will have to pay for it” said Mr. Poole, and they were fined 1s. and 9s. costs in the case of Collins, and in that of Nash, 1s. and 10s. costs, the service of the summons having to be sworn to, as he did not appear.

Folkestone Chronicle 27-8-1892

Wednesday, August 24th: Before Mr. J. Clark, Alderman Pledge, Councillor Holden, and Messrs. J. Fitness, J. Boykett, H.W. Poole and W. Wightwick.

Annual Licensing Session

Folkestone Clergymen on Licensing

Mr. A.H. Gardner said he had been instructed by the Church of England Temperance Society, not in any spirit of antagonism towards the Bench, but in order that they might know the Society`s views upon the subject, to put before them a resolution, passed the other day at the Vestry of the Parish Church, the Rev. M. Woodward presiding. The resolution was to the effect that the clergymen representing the various churches in the town, respectfully asked the Bench not to grant any new licenses, except to private hotels and restaurants, such to be used for bona fide customers, and not for bars, etc. He also added that he was particularly urged to ask the Bench not to grant any additional licenses to grocers, as such licenses were fraught with very mischievous consequences, inasmuch as they held out great temptations to women. Mr. Gardner stated that the clergymen further added that the meeting also desired the Bench to consider the propriety of refusing the renewal of the licenses of those persons who had been convicted during the past year, and, in conclusion, they pointed out the great preponderance of public houses east of Alexandra Gardens over those west of the Gardens.

The Bench then proceeded with the renewal of the licenses.

Adjournments

The Superintendent of Police having reported that convictions for offences against the Licensing Act had been obtained against the following in the course of the past year, the Bench decided to refer their applications for renewals to the Adjourned Session, Wednesday, September 28th: Chidwell Brice, Alexandra Hotel; Burgess, Folkestone Cutter; A. Mutton, Warren Inn; Laslett, Wonder Tavern; Weatherhead, Cinque Ports Arms; and Halliday, Wheatsheaf Inn.

Folkestone Express 27-8-1892

Wednesday, August 24th: Before J. Clark, Alderman Pledge, W. Wightwick, J. Fitness, J. Holden, H.W. Poole, and F. Boykett Esqs.

Annual Licensing Day

Mr. A.H. Gardner said he had been instructed by the Church of England Temperance Society, presided over by the Vicar of Folkestone, to appear before the justices. He did not do so in any spirit of dictation to the Bench, but that they might see the views of the Society upon the subject, and he would put in a resolution passed the other day at a meeting held in the vestry, asking the justices not to grant any new licenses, except to private hotels or restaurants. It also particularly urged that grocer`s licenses were peculiarly fraught with mischief as giving great facilities to women. They also thought that the number of licenses, of which there were 82, should be reduced, especially where there had been convictions for violation of the law. They did not specially single out any particular houses, but they thought when there had been recent convictions, they might refuse the renewal of licenses to such houses. Further they especially called attention to the preponderance in the number of houses at the lower end of the town – there were 79 east of Alexandra Gardens, while there were only three on the west. Mr. Gardner also referred to the fact that the magistrates last year refused to renew in English counties 117 licenses, and in boroughs as many as 101.

Adjourned Applications

The applications in respect of the Folkestone Cutter, the Alexandra, the Wheatsheaf, the Warren, the Wonder, and the Cinque Ports Arms, where there had been convictions for breaches of the law, were ordered to stand over until the adjourned licensing day, Wednesday the 28th of September.

Folkestone Chronicle 1-10-1892

Adjourned Licensing Session

The Adjourned Licensing Session for the Borough was held at the police Court on Wednesday morning, on which occasion considerable interest was evinced in the proceedings by reason of the fact that the renewal of the licenses of several well known and old established houses in the town was opposed by the Superintendent of Police, acting under the direction of the Licensing Committee of the Bench.

The Magistrates present were Mr. J. Clarke, Alderman Pledge, Councillor Holden, and Messrs. H.W. Poole and J. Wightwick.

Mr. Martyn Mowll, of Dover, appeared to support the objections of the police, and Mr. J. Minter and Mr. Hall, severally, appeared on behalf of the claimants.

At the opening of the Court, the Chairman said, before the business commenced he wished to make one announcement. It referred to something which had been done in other towns, and which the Committee thought it best to do in Folkestone. It was the opinion of the Committe that there were too many licensed houses in Folkestone, and they therefore suggested that the owners of the houses should talk the matter over amongst themselves, and agree as to which houses it would be best to close. If nothing was done before the next Licensing Session, the Committee would be obliged to suppress some of the licensed houses themselves. But if the owners would talk the matter over amongst themselves and agree upon the houses to be closed it would save a great difficulty.

The Wonder Tavern

George Laslett applied for the renewal of the licence of this house.

Mr. Mowll said there were 20 licensed houses within a distance of 100 paces.

The Bench granted this application.

Folkestone Express 1-10-1892

Wednesday, September 28th: Before J. Clark, J. Holden, W. Wightwick, H.W. Poole, and J. Pledge Esqs.

This was the adjourned licensing day, and Mr. J. Clark said: Before the business commences I want to make an announcement. It has been done in other places, and we consider the same should be done here. It is the unanimous opinion of the licensing committee that there are far too many licensed houses in Folkestone, and they would suggest to the owners of houses that they should talk it over amongst themselves and agree as to which houses it would be best to drop. If nothing is done between now and next licensing day, the magistrates will be obliged to suppress some of the houses in the town. So if the owners would talk it over among themselves which houses it would be best to drop, it would save us great difficulty.

The Wonder

Mr. Laslett, who had been convicted, applied for the renewal of the licence to this house. Mr. Mowll opposed, and Mr. Minter appeared for the applicant, who was convicted for Sunday trading on the 24th January, and was fined 50s. and costs, and the licence was not endorsed.

Sergeant Swift said he measured the distance of the licensed houses from the Wonder. There were two adjoining, and 20 within a distance of 100 paces.

Mr. Wightwick: How far from it is the Pavilion? (Laughter)

Mr. Mowll said they limited the distance to 100 paces.

Mr. Minter then said the applicant was a most respectable man, and the house had been licensed 26 years ago. He produced a list of the earlier tenants, and said the applicant could only lose his licence on one of four grounds, as it was granted before 1869. He also said at the time of the conviction he offered to turn the man out if the Bench desired it, but on the intimation then conveyed Messrs. Flint allowed him to remain.

The licence was renewed.

Folkestone Herald 1-10-1892

Police Court Jottings

Considerable interest was manifested on Wednesday in the proceedings at the adjourned Licensing Meeting for the Borough as the Licensing Committee had instructed the police to serve notices of six objections. Mr. Mowll, of Dover, appeared to support the police in their opposition by instruction of the Watch Committee.

The Chairman, Mr. J. Clark, at the outset said it had been suggested that the same plan adopted elsewhere should be pursued there. It was the unanimous opinion of the Licensing Committee that there were too many licensed houses in Folkestone and they would suggest that the owners of licensed houses should talk it over among themselves and agree, before the next annual meeting, which houses should be dropped out. The Licensing Committee felt compelled to suppress some of the houses in the town, and if the owners would carry out that suggestion it would do away with a great difficulty and relieve the Magistrates of an invidious task.

The licenses of the Wheatsheaf (Geo. Holliday), the Folkestone Cutter (Joseph Gatley, a new tenant), and the Wonder Tavern (Geo. Laslett), were renewed.

Folkestone Chronicle 26-8-1893

Licensing Sessions

The Folkestone Licensing Sessions was held on Wednesday, the Magistrates present being Mr. J. Clarke and Messrs. Boykett, Fitness, Pledge, Holden, Hoad, Wightwick, and Poole.

The Opposed Licenses

Immediately on the court being opened, Mr. E. Worsfold Mowll said before the business commenced he would like to mention that in the cases of the 13 licenses which had been objected to by the Superintendent of Police, he was associated with Mr. Minter and Mr. Mercer, of Canterbury, in supporting the renewals on behalf of the tenants and owners of the houses. It had been utterly impossible within seven days to prepare the facts which it would be necessary to place before the Bench before they came to a decision in the matter, and his application was that the Bench would fix a special day for the hearing of these cases – say the 15th of September. No doubt it would take the Bench the whole of the day, and possibly they would have to adjourn until the following day as well, because although the same principle might be involved, the facts connected with each licensed house would have to be gone thoroughly into before the Magistrates. He saw Mr. Bradley late on Saturday night, and he said that under the circumstances and looking at the mass of facts and figures it would be necessary to put before the Bench, he did not think there would be any objection to the adjournment.

The Chairman said the Bench would accede to the request, and a special sitting would be held on the 13th September at 11 o`clock.

Mr. Minter asked that the case of the Wonder, Beach Street, one of the houses to which objection had been made,  might be dealt with that day. As he was instructed, it was licensed before 1869 and the Magistrates consequently had no power to refuse the licence except for certain things, which did not arise on the notice of objection. He understood from Mr. Andrews that he was under the impression that the licence was not granted until 1870.

Mr. Andrews: It was granted on the 1st May, 1869.

Mr. Minter said he thought there must be some mistake in the register. In the spring of 1869 he applied to the County Court Judge to restrain the then tenant from removing the beer fixtures and fittings, the licence having been granted in the year previous.

After some further remarks, Mr. Minter said as there seemed to be some doubt about the matter he would ask that it stand over, and that in the meantime the widow of the late tenant should be given temporary authority to sell.

This course was adopted.
The Superintendent`s Report

Superintendent Taylor then read his report as follows: In accordance with your instructions I have the honour to report that the number of licenses granted at the general annual licensing meeting, 1892, was 130, these consisting of 82 full ale-house licenses, 12 beer-house on and six off, the remainder being wine licenses to refreshment houses, strong beer and spirit licenses and grocers` licenses. The bulk of the public house and beer house licenses are granted in respect of premises situate in an area bounded by South Street, High Street, Dover Road, and the sea front. No full licence has been granted for many years, the last beer-house licence being granted in 1886, to premises situate in Westbourne Gardens. Acting upon the intimation given at the last annual licensing meeting in 1892, and renewed at the special sessions held on the 9th instant, I have given notice of objection to the renewal of the licenses of the Queen`s Head, Royal George, Victoria, Jubilee, British Colours, Granville, Harbour, Tramway, Cinque Ports, Folkestone Cutter, Ship, Wonder and Oddfellows. With the exception of the Harbour, Jubilee, Victoria and Ship I have at former licensing meetings opposed the renewal of the licenses of these houses. The general grounds of the objection to the renewal of these licenses are that none of these houses are required for the accommodation of the public within the boundary referred to, and evidence will be given as to the number of licensed houses within a short distance of those objected to. The second ground is that the houses have for some time been conducted in an unsatisfactory manner, but this does not apply to the Jubilee, Victoria, Ship or Harbour. With reference to the necessity of these houses it will be found in Harbour Street there are four ale-houses and beer-houses, in Beach Street seven, in Radnor Street eight, Dover Street five, South Street two, and Seagate Street three.

The Chairman: Mr. Superintendent, I am requested to give you the thanks of the Committee for this report. You have only been acting under the direction of the Licensing Committee, and we all feel obliged to you for the trouble you have taken.

Mr. Boykett: Very much obliged.

Folkestone Express 26-8-1893

Annual Licensing Meeting

Wednesday, August 23rd: Before: J. Clark, W.H. Poole, J. Holden, F. Boykett, J. Fitness, W. Wightwick, J. Pledge, and J. Hoad Esqs.

The solicitors present representing the owners and tenants were Mr. W. Mowll, Mr. J. Minter, Mr. F. Hall and Mr. Mercer, and Mr. Clarke-Hall (barrister) and Mr. Montague Bradley for the opponents.

Mr. Mowll, at the opening of the Court, said: Might I mention before the business commences that there are 13 licenses that have been objected to by the Superintendent of Police. I am associated with my friend Mr. Minter, and my friend Mr. Mercer, of Canterbury in supporting the applications for renewals on behalf of the owners of these 13 houses. I have an application to make to you. It has been impossible in the short space of seven days to prepare facts and call witnesses with regard to those houses which have been objected to, and upon which I shall claim your judgement. And my application is that you will be kind enough to adjourn these 13 cases until Wednesday the 13th September – to fix a special day in fact. No doubt it will take the Bench the whole of the day, and perhaps an adjournment day as well, to hear the cases. Because, although the same principle may be involved, the facts connected with these licensed houses may be different, and I shall have to give evidence with regard to each house. I have spoken to my friend Mr. Bradley, and asked him whether, under the circumstances, he saw any objection, and he said “No”. I may at once state that the houses objected to are the Jubilee, Radnor Street; the Harbour Inn, Harbour Street; the Tramway Tavern, Radnor Street; the Granville, Dover Street; the Queen`s Head, Beach Street; the Royal George, Beach Street; the Victoria, South Street; the Cinque Ports, Seagate Street; the Wonder, Beach Street, the British Colours, Beach Street; the Ship, Radnor Street; the Oddfellows, Radnor Street; and the Folkestone Cutter, Dover Street. There are 13 of them that are objected to. Although, as I have said, no doubt the same principle is involved in all of them, yet the Bench can easily understand the facts and statements connected with every case are different, and it is necessary that they should be carefully and properly put before the Bench before they give their decision.

The Chairman: Will the 13th be the adjournment?

Mr. Bradley: No, a special day. The adjourned meeting will be on the 27th September. Will you accede to Mr. Mowll`s application?

Mr. Wightwick: Will you make it after the 18th?

Mr. Mowll: I am in the Bench`s hands entirely as to the day. The 13th would be the most convenient day.

Mr. Boykett: The 13th is on Wednesday.

Mr. Bradley: This day three weeks.

The Chairman: The Bench will grant your application, Mr. Mowll.

Mr. Minter: Except as to the Wonder. I should like you to dispose of that today if you can, because it is a case in which the licence was granted before `69, and consequently the Magistrates have no power to refuse the licence except upon certain grounds which don`t arise in the objection.

Mr. Bradley: You want to except that one?

Mr. Minter: Yes.

Mr. Bradley: My impression is that the licence was not granted till `70.

Mr. Minter: I think it was in September 1869 that I applied to the County Court Judge to restrain the tenant from taking away from the house certain fixtures, and I believe the licence was granted in the year previous. I have been up to the County Court office and applied to look over the register. I know I applied on behalf of Mr. Beaney to restrain the tenant from removing those fittings, engines, and things.

Mr. Bradley: We can ascertain it by looking at the minute book.

Mr. Minter: The register may say 1870, but I don`t know which is right. But as there appears to be some doubt about it, it would be better to let it stand over. I simply now ask you to give the widow –the tenant is dead, and the notice was served on the widow – I ask you to give authority to the widow to sell until this day three weeks. I don`t suppose there will be any objection to that.

The Chairman: There will be no objection to do that.

Mr. Minter: Then it stands adjourned with temporary authority to the widow to sell.

The Superintendent`s Report

The Superintendent of Police read his report as follows:-

“Borough of Folkestone Police, 23rd August, 1893.

Gentlemen, In accordance with your instructions I have the honour to report that the number of licenses granted at the general annual licensing meeting, 1892, was 130. These consist of 82 full ale-house licenses, 12 beer-house on and six off, the remainder being wine licenses to refreshment houses, strong beer and spirit licenses and grocers` licenses. The bulk of the public house and beer house licenses are granted in respect of premises situate in an area bounded by South Street, High Street, Dover Road, and the sea front. No full licence has been granted for many years, the last beer-house licence being granted in 1886, to premises situate in Westbourne Gardens. Acting upon the intimation given at the last annual licensing meeting in 1892, and renewed at the special sessions held on the 9th instant, I have given notice of objection to the renewal of the licenses of the Queen`s Head, Royal George, Victoria, Jubilee, British Colours, Granville, Harbour, Tramway, Cinque Ports, Folkestone Cutter, Ship, Wonder and Oddfellows. With the exception of the Harbour, Jubilee, Victoria and Ship I have at former licensing meetings opposed the renewal of the licenses of these houses. The general grounds of the objection to the renewal of these licenses are that none of these houses are required for the accommodation of the public within the boundary referred to, and evidence will be given as to the number of licensed houses within a short distance of those objected to. The second ground is that the houses have for some time been conducted in an unsatisfactory manner, but this does not apply to the Jubilee, Victoria, Ship or Harbour. With reference to the necessity of these houses it will be found in Harbour Street there are four ale-houses and beer-houses, in Beach Street seven, in Radnor Street eight, Dover Street five, in South Street two, and in Seagate Street three.

I have the honour to be, Gentlemen,
Your obedient servant,
John Taylor, Supt.
To The Licensing Committee”.

The Chairman: Superintendent, I am requested to give you the thanks of the Magistrates for that report. You have only been acting on the directions of the Licensing Committee, and we all feel obliged to you for the trouble you have taken and the report you have presented.

Mr. Boykett: Very much obliged.

Mr. Mowll: The Bench will not object to me having a copy of the report. I don`t know whether the shorthand writers took it – the Superintendent read it very rapidly.

Mr. Bradley: There is no objection to that at all.

The unopposed licenses were then granted.

Mr. Wightwick expressed a hope that the adjourned meeting would be held in the large room.

Folkestone Herald 26-8-1893

Police Court Notes

On Wednesday morning the annual licensing meeting of this borough was held in the Town Hall, the Bench being presided over by Mr. J. Clark. The other Justices were – Mr. J. Holden, Mr. James Pledge, Mr. H.W. Poole, Mr. W. Wightwick, Mr. J. Hoad, Mr. J. Fitness, and Mr. F. Boykett.

The Bench were supported by their legal adviser, Mr. Henry B. Bradley, solicitor. It had been anticipated that the proceedings would have been invested with a high degree of public interest and importance, inasmuch as it had got rumoured abroad that the renewal of a whole batch of licenses had been officially objected to. Owing, however, to an application reported below, the question was postponed until the 13th September, and thus the meeting was divested of the principal elements of interest that had been looked forward to by the resident community.

There was a strong muster of solicitors. The interests of owners and tenants were in the hands of Mr. Worsfold Mowll (Dover), Mr. Minter, Mr. Hall, and Mr. Mercer (Canterbury). The Temperance organizations were represented by Mr. Clarke-Hall (barrister), and Mr. Montague Bradley (of Dover).

The Black List

The following is a list, in alphabetical order, of the thirteen houses that have been objected to, the names of the tenants being given also:- (1) British Colours, 1, Beach Street, ---- Gatley; (2) Cinque Ports, 2, Seagate Street, R. Weatherhead; (3) Folkestone Cutter, 24, Dover Street, ---- Warman; (4) Granville, 63, Dover Street, F.G. Stickles; (5) Harbour Inn, South Street, S. Barker; (6) Jubilee Inn, 24, Radnor Street, J.L. Adams; (7) Oddfellows, The Stade, G. Whiddett; (8) Queen`s Head, 11, Beach Street, W. Tame; (9) Royal George, 18, Beach Street, A.J. Tritton; (10) Ship Inn, 38, Radnor Street, G. Warman; (11) Tramway Tavern, 4, Radnor Street, J. Bayliss; (12) Victoria Inn, 26, South Street, J. Watson; (13) Wonder Tavern, 13, Beach Street, G. Laslett.

Mr. Worsfold Mowll, addressing the Justices, said: My application this morning, sir, is that the Bench would be kind enough to adjourn these thirteen cases until Wednesday, the 13th of September. No doubt it will take the Bench a whole day, and possibly an adjournment as well, to hear these thirteen cases, for although the same principle will be involved, the facts concerning each licensed house will have to be gone into. I saw my friend Mr. Bradley on Saturday night, and I asked him whether under the circumstances he would object to an adjournment, and he said that looking at the facts he would offer no objection. There are thirteen houses that have been objected to, and although no doubt the same principle is involved in dealing with them, yet, as the Bench can easily understand, the facts and statements connected with each case are different, and it is necessary that they should be very carefully prepared and put before the Magistrates for their decision.

The Chairman (after a short conference on the bench): Mr. Mowll, the Bench will accede to your request.

Mr. Minter: Except as to the Wonder. I should like you to dispose of that today. The house was licensed before 1869, and the consequence is that the Magistrates have no power to refuse the licence except on certain grounds that do not arise on the notice of objection. In the Spring of 1869 I applied to the County Court Judge to restrain the then tenant from removing the fixtures, and the licence had been granted the year previous. Mr. Scott was then County Court Judge, and I applied before him, on the part of the brewer, for an injunction to restrain the then tenant from pulling out the fixtures. The house was occupied in 1868.

Mr. Bradley: My impression is that the licence was granted in 1870.

Mr. Minter: There appears to be some doubt about it, and therefore I will simply ask for temporary authority to the widow to sell. The tenant is dead, and the notice was served upon the widow.

The Chairman: There is no objection to the course you suggested.

Superintendent`s Report

Mr. Superintendent Taylor read his report, which was in the following terms: Gentlemen, In accordance with your instructions I have the honour to report that the number of licenses granted at the general annual licensing meeting, 1892, was 130, these consisting of 82 full ale-house licenses, 12 beer-house on and six off, the remainder being wine licenses to refreshment houses, strong beer and spirit licenses and grocers` licenses. The bulk of the public house and beer house licenses are granted in respect of premises situate in an area bounded by South Street, High Street, Dover Road, and the sea front. No full licence has been granted for many years, the last beer-house licence being granted in 1886, to premises situate in Westbourne Gardens. Acting upon the intimation given at the last annual licensing meeting in 1892, and renewed at the special sessions held on the 9th instant, I have given notice of objection to the renewal of the licenses of the Queen`s Head, Royal George, Victoria, Jubilee, British Colours, Granville, Harbour, Tramway, Cinque Ports, Folkestone Cutter, Ship, Wonder and Oddfellows. With the exception of the Harbour, Jubilee, Victoria and Ship I have at former licensing meetings opposed the renewal of the licenses of these houses. The general grounds of the objection to the renewal of these licenses are that none of these houses are required for the accommodation of the public within the boundary referred to, and evidence will be given as to the number of licensed houses within a short distance of those objected to. The second ground is that the houses have for some time been conducted in an unsatisfactory manner, but this does not apply to the Jubilee, Victoria, Ship or Harbour. With reference to the necessity of these houses it will be found in Harbour Street there are four ale-houses and beer-houses, in Beach Street seven, in Radnor Street eight, Dover Street five, South Street two, and Seagate Street three.

The Chairman: Mr. Superintendent, I am requested to convey to you the thanks of the Committee for your report, and we all feel obliged to you for the trouble you have taken.

Mr. Boykett: Very much obliged.

Mr. Mowll applied that he be furnished with a copy of the report, and the application was at once acceded to.

The remaining licenses were then renewed.

Southeastern Gazette 29-8-1893

LICENSING SESSIONS

The intention of the Folkestone Borough Magistrates to make a substantial reduction in the number of licensed houses within their jurisdiction has caused great excitement not only among the licensed victuallers and brewers connected with the borough, but among the trade generally throughout the kingdom. The question has been taken up by brewers representing many millions of capital, and it will be stubbornly fought out.

The annual Brewster Sessions were held on Wednesday, and the Town Hall was densely crowded. Gentlemen from London connected with the trade were present, and also representatives of the London Press; but their visit was fruitless, as it was arranged that the contentious business should be taken at an adjourned session. Mr. Worsfold Mowll represented various brewing firms: Mr. Minter, the proprietor of the Wonder Tavern ; Mr. Hall, solicitor, several applicants for licences ; Mr. Montagu Bradley, solicitor, Dover, the Licensing Committee of the borough; Mr. W. Clarke Hall, barrister, certain societies connected with the temperance cause.

OPPOSED RENEWALS ADJOURNED.
On the Court being opened Mr. Mowll stated that the Superintendent of the Police had served notice of objection to the renewal of 13 licences, on the ground that these licensed houses were not required for the accommodation of the public. It was impossible for him (Mr. Mowll) in the seven days which had elapsed since the service of the notices to prepare the facts necessary in each case to enable the justices to arrive at a right decision. He therefore asked them to adjourn the whole of the cases to the 13th September, when possibly not only the whole of that day, but of another day would have to be devoted to them, inasmuch as although no doubt the same principle was involved in regard to every house, yet the facts would differ widely, and it was necessary that those facts should be carefully prepared and put before the Magistrates.

Mr. Minter wished the case of the Wonder to be excepted from the adjournment. The house was licensed before 1869, and, as a consequence, the Bench had no power to refuse the licence except upon certain grounds which were not raised. He understood that Mr. Andrews (clerk to the justices’ Clerk) was of opinion that the licence was not granted until 1870. The reason he had for knowing that the Clerk was mistaken was that in the spring of 1869 he (Mr. Minter) applied to the Judge of the County Court (Mr. Scott), on behalf of the owner, Mr. Beaney, brewer, of Wye, for an injunction to restrain the then tenant, Mr. Bowen, from pulling out the fixtures. He had searched the County Court records in proof of his contention.

The Bench thought the documentary proof should be given, and the case was adjourned with the others; temporary authority being given to the widow of the late landlord, who had died since the service of the notice.

SUPERINTENDENT’S REPORT.
Supt. Taylor then read the following report to the justices “In accordance with your instructions I have the honour to report that the number of licences granted at the general annual licensing meeting, 1892, was 130. These consist ot 82 full ale-house licences, 12 beer-house on-licences, and six beer-house off- licences; the remainder being wine licences to refreshment houses, strong beer and spirit licences, and grocers’ licences. The bulk of the public-house and beer-house licences are granted in respect of premises situated in the area bounded by South Street, High Street, and Dover Road, and the Sea Front. No full licences have been granted for many years. The last beer-house licence was granted in 1886 to premises situate in Westbourne Gardens. Acting upon the intimation given at the licensing meeting in 1892, I have given notice of objection to the renewal of the licences of the Jubilee, Radnor Street; Harbour Inn, Harbour Street, Tramway Tavern, Radnor Street; Granville, Dover Street; Queen’s Head, Seagate Street; Royal George, Beach Street; Cutter, Dover Street; Victoria, South Street; Oddfellows, Radnor Street ; Cinque Ports, Seagate Street; Wonder, Beach Street; British Colours, Queen’s Square (Harbour) ; and the Ship, Radnor Street. With the exception of the Harbour, Jubilee, Victoria, and Ship, I have at former licensing meetings opposed the renewal of the licences to these houses. The general grounds of objection to the renewal of these licences are that none of these houses are required for the accommodation of the public, being within the boundary referred to, and evidence will be given as to the number of licensed houses within a short distance of those objected to. The second ground is that the houses have for some years been conducted in an unsatisfactory manner; but this does not apply to the Jubilee, Victoria, Ship, or Harbour. With reference to the necessity for these houses, it will be found that in Harbour Street there are four ale-houses and beerhouses; in Beach Street, seven; in Radnor Street, eight; in Dover Street, five; in South Street, two; in Seagate-street, three.”

The Chairman (Mr. Boykett) said he was requested to give the thanks of the Licensing Committee to Supt. Taylor for his report. Supt. Taylor had only been acting under the directions of the Licensing Committee, and they all felt obliged to him for his report.
 
 
Folkestone Chronicle 16-9-1893

Local News

Not many hours had elapsed since the Town Hall was occupied by a gay and brilliant company who were enjoying the pleasures of the terpsichorean art, when a gathering of a very different nature took place within it`s walls at eleven o`clock on Wednesday morning. In the short space which had elapsed the Hall had been denuded of all it`s tasty decorations and luxurious appointments, and had put on it`s everyday appearance for the transaction of the business of the Special Licensing Session, which had been appointed for the purpose of dealing with the licenses to which notice of opposition had been given by the police.

At the end of the Hall, backed by high red baize screens, raised seats had been arranged for the accommodation of the Licensing Justices. Here at eleven o`clock the chair was taken by Mr. J. Clark, ho was accompanied on the Bench by Alderman Pledge, Messrs. Holden, Hoad, Fitness, Davey, Poole, and Herbert.

Immediately in front of the Bench were tables for the accommodation of Counsel and other members of the legal profession, while in close proximity were seats for Borough Magistrates who were not members of the Licensing Committee, and for the brewers and agents interested in the cases that were to occupy the attention of the Bench. The body of the Hall was well filled with members of the trade and the general public, whilst there was quite an array of members of the police force who were present to give evidence.

Objection to a Temperance Magistrate

Mr. Glyn, barrister, who, with Mr. Bodkin, appeared in support of the opposed licenses, made an objection at the outset against Mr. Holden occupying a seat on the Bench. Mr. M. Bradley (solicitor, Dover), who appeared on behalf of the Temperance Societies, rose to address the Bench on the point, but an objection was taken on the ground that he had no locus standi. The Magistrates retired to consider this matter, and on their return to the court they were not accompanied by Mr. Holden, whose place on the Committee was taken by Mr, Pursey.

Mr. Glyn`s Opening

Mr. Glyn said he had consulted with the Superintendent of Police, and had agreed to take first the case of the Queen`s Head. He accordingly had to apply for the renewal of the licence. The Queen`s Head was probably known by all the gentlemen on the Bench as an excellent house. The licence had been held for a considerable number of years, and the present tenant had had it since 1889. It was a valuable property, worth some £1,500, and the tenant had paid no less than £305 valuation on entering the house. He need hardly tell the Bench that the licence was granted a great many years ago by their predecessors, and it had been renewed from time to time until the present. The Superintendent of Police was now objecting on the ground that it was not required, and that it was kept disorderly. With regard to the objection of the Superintendent to all these licenses, he (Mr. Glyn) thought he would admit when he went into the box that it was not an objection he was making on his own grounds, but an objection made in pursuance of instructions received from some of the members of the Licensing Committee. Of course a very nice question might arise as to whether under the circumstances the requirements of the section had been complied with, and as to the Superintendent acting, if he might say so, as agent for some of the justices had no locus standi at all to oppose these licenses. The Superintendent of Police, in his report, states that he raised these objections “in pursuance of instructions received from the Magistrates”. Therefore, those gentlemen who gave those instructions were really in this position: That having themselves directed an enquiry they proposed to sit and adjudicate upon it. He knew there was not a single member of that Bench who would desire to adjudicate upon any case which he had pre-judged by directing that the case should be brought before him for that particular purpose, and he only drew their attention to the matter. He did not suppose it would be the least bit necessary to enquire into it, because he felt perfectly sure, on the grounds he was going to put before the Bench, that they would not refuse to renew any one of these licenses. But he thought it right to put these facts before them, in order, when they retired, that they might consider exactly what their position was.

There was another thing, and it applied to all these applications. There was not a single ratepayer in the whole of this borough who had been found to oppose the renewal of any of the licenses. The first ground of objection was that the licenses were not required. He repeated that no ratepayer could be found who was prepared to come before the Bench and raise such a point. No notice had been given by anybody except by the Superintendent, who had given it acting upon the instructions of the Bench.

He understood that even the Watch Committee, which body one generally thought would be expected to get the ball rolling, had declined to have anything to do with the matter, and had declined to sanction any legal advice for the purpose of depriving his clients of what was undoubtedly their property. He ventured to say, with some little experience of these matters, that there never was a case where licenses were taken away on the ground that they were not required, simply because some of the learned Magistrates thought the matter ought to be brought before them, without any single member of the public raising any objection to any of the licenses, and the Watch Committee not only keeping perfectly quiet, but declining to enter into the contest.

He was dealing with the case of the Queen`s Head, but his remarks would also apply to the others, with the exception of the cases of three beer-houses, the licenses of which were granted before the passing of the 1869 Act, and his client was, therefore, absolutely entitled to a renewal. With regard to the other licenses, they were granted a great many years ago. Although at that time the population of the Borough was about half of what it is now the Magistrates thought they were required then. They had been renewed from time to time since then, and were the Magistrates really to say that licenses which were required for a population of 12,000 were not necessary for a population of 25,000? He ventured to say, if such an argument were raised by the other side, that it was an absurdity. He should ask the Bench to consider first, and if they formed an opinion on it it would save time, whether having regard to the fact that all the licenses were granted a great many years ago when the population was nothing what like it is now, and also that there had not been a single conviction since the renewals last year. They were prepared to refuse the renewal of any of the licenses. He asked them to decide upon that point, because it decided the whole thing.

Some of the objections were only raised on the ground that the licenses were not required; others referred to the fact that there had been previous convictions, or that the houses had been kept in a disorderly manner. With regard to any conviction before the date of the last renewal he contended that the Bench had, by making the renewal, condoned any previous offence. In not one single instance had there been a conviction during the past year in respect of one of the houses for which he asked for a renewal, and he ventured to put to the Bench what he understood to be an elementary principle of British justice, that they would not deprive the owner of his property simply because it was suggested that the house had not been properly conducted, and where that owner had never had an opportunity of appearing before the Bench in answer to any charge which had been brought against his tenant. He challenged anybody to show that there was a single case in any Bench where a license had been taken away after renewal without there being a criminal charge made against that house, but only a general charge to the Licensing Committee.

Mr. Bodkin, who followed, reminded the Bench of their legal position with regard to the renewal of licenses, and quoted the judgement of Lord Halsbury in the case of Sharpe v Wakefield, in which he said in cases where a licence had already been granted, unless some change during the year was proved, they started with the fact that such topics as the requirements of the neighbourhood had already been considered, and one would not expect that those topics would be likely to be re-opened. Continuing, Mr. Bodkin said that was exactly the position they were in that morning. There had been no change with respect to these houses except that Folkestone had increased in population, and there had been an absence of any legal proceedings against any of the persons keeping these houses. He ventured to say it would be inopportune at the present time to take away licenses where they found the change had been in favour of renewing them.

Mr. Minter said he appeared for the tenants of the houses, and he endorsed everything that had fallen from his two learned friends, who had been addressing them on behalf of the owners. Mr. Glyn referred to the population having increased twofold since the licenses were granted, and he (Mr. Minter) would point out that while the population had increased no new licenses had been granted for the past twelve years. Mr. Minter then referred to the fact that there was not a single record on the licenses of any one of the tenants. Was there any argument he could use stronger than that? As to the objection that the houses were not required for the public accommodation, he was prepared to show, by distinct evidence, that each tenant had been doing a thriving business for the last four or five years, and that it did not decrease. How was it possible, in the face of that, to say they were not required for the public accommodation?

Mr. Bradley then claimed the right to address the Bench on behalf of the Temperance Societies, but an objection was raised by his legal opponents that he had no locus standi, as he had given no notice of his intention to appear, and this contention was upheld by the Bench.

The Bench then retired for a consultation with their Clerk on the points raised in the opening, and on their return to the Court the Chairman said the Magistrates had decided where there were allegations of disorderly conduct the cases must be limited to during the year, and no cases prior to the licensing meeting last year would be gone into. They thought it was right that the Superintendent should state the cases that they might be gone into, and that the Bench might know what the objections were.

Beer Houses

With regard to the British Colours, Cinque Ports and the Wonder beer-houses, Mr. Glyn said they existed before 1869, and no objection could be made unless it was suggested that there had been impropriety. Evidence as to the dates of the existence of the licenses was given by Mr. F. Nops, Supervisor of the Inland Revenue, and the matter was not gone further into.

A Doctrine Of Confiscation

This concluded the list of objections, and Mr. Glyn addressed the Bench, saying the result of the proceedings was that with regard to all the houses, except the Tramway, there was no serious charge of any kind. As to the Tramway, he challenged anybody to show that any Bench of Justices had ever refused to grant licenses unless the landlords had had notices, or unless there had been a summons and a conviction against the tenant since the last renewal. With regard to the other houses the only question was whether they were wanted or not. Superintendent Taylor, who, he must say, had conducted the cases most fairly and most ably, had picked out certain houses, and he asked the Bench to deprive the owners of their property and the tenants of their interest in respect of those houses, while the other houses were to remain. How on earth were the Bench to draw the line? There were seven houses in one street, and the Superintendent objected to four, leaving the other three. In respect to one of these there had been a conviction, and in respect of the others none. Why was the owner of one particular house to keep his property, and the others to be deprived of theirs? Mr. Glyn enforced some of his previous arguments, and said if the Bench deprived his clients of their property on the grounds that had been put forward they would be adopting a doctrine of confiscation, and setting an example to other Benches in the county to do the same.

The Decision

The Bench adjourned for an hour, and on their return to the Court the Chairman announced that the Magistrates had come to the decision that all the licenses would be granted with the exception of that of the Tramway Tavern.

Mr. Glyn thanked the Bench for the careful attention they had given to the cases, and asked whether, in the event of the owners of the Tramway Tavern wishing to appeal, the Magistrates` Clerk would accept service.

Mr. Bradley: Yes.

Folkestone Express 16-9-1893

Adjourned Licensing Session

The special sitting for the hearing of those applications for renewals to which the Superintendent of Police had give notice of opposition was held on Wednesday. The Magistrates present were Messrs. J. Clark, J. Hoad, W.H. Poole, W.G. Herbert, J. Fitness, J.R. Davy, J. Holden, C.J. Pursey and J. Pledge.

Mr. Lewis Glyn and Mr. Bodkin supported the applications on behalf of the owners, instructed by Messrs. Mowll and Mowll, with whom were Mr. Minter, Mr. F. Hall, and Mr. Mercer (Canterbury), and Mr. Montagu Bradley (Dover) opposed on behalf of the Good Templars.

Before the business commenced, Mr. Bradley handed to Mr. Holden a document, which he carefully perused, and then handed to Mr. J. Clark, the Chairman.

Mr. Glyn, who appeared for the applicants, speaking in a very low tone, made an application to the Bench, the effect of which was understood to be that the Justices should retire to consider the document. The Justices did retire, and on their return Mr. Holden was not among them.

Mr. Glyn then rose to address the Bench. He said he would first make formal application for the renewal of the licence of the Queen`s Head. It was known to all the gentlemen on the Bench as an excellent house, and the licence had been held for a considerable number of years. The present tenant had held it since 1887; it`s value was £1,500, and the present tenant had paid no less than £305 for valuation for going into the house. The licence was granted a great many years ago, and had been renewed from time to time. The Superintendent of Police now opposed on the ground that it was no longer required and was kept in a disorderly manner. First, with regard to the objections of the Superintendent, he thought he would admit when he came into the box that it was not he who was making the objections to all those licenses, but that they were made in consequence of instructions received from some members of the Licensing Committee. Of course in his view, and in their view, a very serious question might arise, whether the Licensing Committee had any locus standi. His general observations in that case would apply to all the cases. The Superintendent, in raising those objections, was acting under instructions from the Licensing Magistrates, so that they were really in this position, that they were sitting to adjudicate in a case they themselves directed. He felt certain the Bench would not refuse to renew one of those licenses, but he thought it right to put the facts before them, in order that when they retired they might consider what their position was. He also pointed out that there was not a single ratepayer objecting to any of the renewals. The first ground of objection was that the houses were not required. Before going further he referred to the very important action of the Watch Committee, who were the parties one would expect to put the law in action. But they declined to have anything to do with it, and declined to sanction any legal advice to the Superintendent for the purpose of depriving his clients of what undoubtedly was their property. He ventured to think that in all his large experience in these matters that there never was a case where a licence was taken away simply because it was not required, or simply because some of the learned Magistrates thought it ought to be done and instructed the Superintendent to raise objections. There were two or three of the houses existing before 1869, and therefore his clients were entitled to a renewal of their licenses, there having been no convictions against them during the year. With regard to the other licenses, they were granted a great many years ago, at a time when th population of this borough was about half what it is now, and the Magistrates then thought they were required. They had been renewed from time to time by that body, and were they willing to say now that they were not required, and deprive the owners and tenants of their property and of their licenses? There was not a single Bench in the county, which, up to the present time, had deprived any one tenant of his licence and his property, simply because a suggestion had been made that it was not required. There had been one case in the county two years ago, but the party appealed to the Court of Quarter Sessions, and that Court said the licence ought to be granted. It would be very unfair to his clients, several of whom had spent large sums of money on their property, to refuse a renewal of their licenses, especially having regard to the fact that they were granted a great many years ago, and against which there had not been a single conviction during the year. In order to save time, he put two questions before the Magistrates:- first, were they prepared to deprive the owners and tenants of their property, and secondly, the licenses having all been renewed since any conviction had taken place, were they prepared to deprive the owners of their property without their having an opportunity and investigating the charges brought against them. It would save a great deal of time if the Bench would consider those two points.

Mr Bodkin followed with a few supplementary remarks. He referred to the case of “Sharpe v Wakefield”, in which the decision had been given that a licence, whether by way of renewal or whether it was an annual matter to be considered year by year, and not renewed as of right. He quoted from the remarks of Lord Halsbury, who seemed to consider that in dealing with renewals they ought not to deal with them exactly in the same way as in new applications. He dwelt upon the fact that last year all the licenses were renewed, and that though no new licenses had been granted for many years, the borough had increased in population, and there had been an entire absence of legal proceedings against any of the houses in the past year.

Mr. Minter, who appeared, he said, for the tenants, emphasised what had fallen from the other two legal gentlemen, and said it would be unnecessary for him to make any lengthy remarks. Mr. Glyn had referred to the population having increased twofold since those licenses were granted. There was another very important matter for consideration, and it was this. That although the population had increased twofold since the whole of those licenses were granted, during the last twelve years no new licenses had been granted. Mr. Glyn had also referred to the hardship on the owners if they lost their property, having regard to the fact that there had been no conviction against the tenants during the year, but in addition to that he desired to call attention to what was the intention of the legislature. The legislature had provided that in all cases where owners of licensed houses were brought before the Bench and charged with any offence against the licensing laws, the Magistrates had the power, if they deemed the offence was of sufficient importance, to record that conviction on the licence. They could do that on a second conviction, and on the third occasion the legislature said that the licence should be gone altogether. He was happy to say there was no record on any one of the licenses of the applicants, notwithstanding that they might have been proceeded against and convicted before the last annual licensing meeting. That showed they were of such trivial account that the Magistrates considered, in the exercise of their judgement, that it was not necessary to record it on the licence. Was there any stronger argument to be used than that the Magistrates themselves, although they felt bound to convict in certain cases, did not record the conviction on the licence? He cordially agreed with the suggestion of Mr. Glyn that the Magistrates should retire and consider the suggestion he had made, and he thought they would come to the conclusion that all the licenses should be renewed. There were cases where the houses could claim renewals as a right, and in which he should be able to show the licenses existed before 1869. That course would save a great deal of time.

Mr. Montagu Bradley claimed to be heard on behalf of the Good Templars.

The Court held that Mr. Bradley had no locus standi, as he had not given notice to the applicants that he was going to oppose.

Mr. Bradley thereupon withdrew.

The Magistrates again retired, and on their return the Chairman said the Magistrates had decided that where it was a question of disorderly conduct, it was to be limited to during the year just ended, and not to go into questions prior to the annual licensing day of last year. They thought it right that the cases should be gone into, in order that they might know what the objections were.

Mr. Glyn enumerated the houses, and they were then gone into separately in the following order:

The British Colours

Mr. Glyn said this was a house which had existed before 1869. There was nothing against it.

Francis Nops, Supervisor of Inland Revenue, said the British Colours, the Cinque Ports, and the Wonder were all licensed before 1869.

Superintendent Taylor said he proposed to give evidence as to disorderly conduct at teh British Colours.

It was ruled that it could not be given.

Mr. Glyn then addressed the Bench on the whole of the cases, and urged that no Bench had ever refused a licence where there had been no complaint or conviction. He said the Superintendent had conducted the cases ably and fairly, but he had picked out several houses and asked the Bench to refuse licenses to them. How, he asked, could they do so? It would be very nice for the owners of other houses, no doubt. He emphasised his remarks that no Bench in the county had refused a licence on the ground that it was not wanted. Nothing had occurred in the neighbourhood to alter the position of things, yet Folkestone was asked, as it were, to set an example to other boroughs in the county, and to confiscate his clients` licenses, when there was no ground whatever for that confiscation. It was not a small matter. It was not a question of £15. The lowest value was put at £800. The ground of objection was merely that the licenses were not wanted, although they had been in existence many years, and the owners had spent large sums of money on the houses on the faith of the licenses which the justices` predecessors had granted, and which they themselves had renewed. The population had largely increased, and the Magistrates had refused to grant fresh licenses because they thought there were sufficient. He ventured to submit that they would not do what other Benches had refused to do, and deprive his clients of their property. They looked to the Magistrates to protect their property and their interests. If there had been any strong views in operation against the licenses among the public, it would be different. But they had not expressed any such views. There was the Watch Committee, the proper authority to raise those points, who had declined to support the objection, which came from a member of their body, who was not present, and who had not taken part in the proceedings. He asked them, without any fear of the result, to say that under all the circumstances they were not going to deprive his clients of their licenses.

There was some applause when Mr. Glyn finished his speech.

The Justices then adjourned for an hour to consider all the cases.

On their return Mr. J. Clark, the Chairman, said: The Magistrates have had this question under consideration, and they have come to the decision that all the licenses be granted, with the exception of the Tramway Tavern. (Applause)

Mr. Glyn said he need hardly say they were much obliged to the Chairman and his brother Magistrates for the care they had given the matter. With regard to the Tramway Tavern, he asked if they would allow him, in the event of the owners deciding to appeal, which it was probable they would do, to serve the notice on their Clerk.

Mr. Bradley said there was no objection to that.

Mr. Glyn said his friends felt they ought to acknowledge the very fair manner in which Superintendent Taylor had conducted those proceedings.

The business then terminated.

Folkestone Herald 16-9-1893

Editorial

The large audience who crowded into the Licensing Justices` Court at the Town Hall on Wednesday last were evidently representative of the interests of the liquor trade in this Borough. Every stage of the proceeding was watched with the closest attention, and it was impossible not to recognise the prevalent feeling that a mistake had been committed in objecting wholesale to the renewal of licenses. Thirteen houses in all were objected to, but as two of them, through a technical point of law, were entitled to a renewal, there remained eleven as to which the Justices were asked to exercise their discretionary powers. In the event, after a long hearing, and a weighty exposition of law and equity, the decision of the tribunal resulted in the granting of ten of these eleven licenses and the provisional extinction of one, as to which, no doubt, there will be an appeal. As this journal is not an organ of the trade, and as, on the other hand, it is not inspired by the prohibitionists, we are in a position to review the proceedings from an unprejudiced and dispassionate standpoint. At the outset, therefore, we must express our disapproval of the manner in which the cases of those thirteen houses have been brought up for judicial consideration. It was rather unfortunate that a Magistrate who is so pronounced a Temperance advocate as Mr. Holden should have taken a prominent part in having those houses objected to. We say nothing of his official rights; we only deprecate the manner in which he has exercised his discretion. We think it likely to do more harm than good to the Temperance cause, inasmuch as it savours of partiality if not persecution. We also think that Mr. Holden would have done well not to have taken his seat on the Licensing Bench. It would be impossible to persuade any licence holder that the trade could find an unbiased judge in the person of a teetotal Magistrate. Conversely, it would be impossible to persuade a Temperance advocate that a brewer or a wine merchant could be capable of passing an unbiased judgement upon any question involving the interests of those engaged in the liquor traffic. The presence of Mr. Holden on the Bench was not allowed to pass without protest. Counsel for the owners handed in a written document, the Justices retired to consider it in private, and as the result of that consultation Mr. Holden did not resume the seat he had originally taken. The legal and other arguments urged by the learned Counsel for the owners and the tenants are fully set out in our report. We attach special importance to one contention, which was urged with a degree of earnestness that made a deep impression in Court, and will make a deeper impression outside. All these houses, be it remembered, had had a renewal of licence at the annual licensing meeting held last year. At that date the discretionary power of the Court had been as firmly established in law as it is at the present moment. At that date whatever laxity had taken place during the previous year in respect of the conduct of any one of those thirteen houses had been condoned by the renewal of the licence. At that date the congestion of public houses in particular parts of the town was as notorious as it is now, and nothing had happened in the interval to change in any material degree the general circumstances which prevailed in 1892 when the licences were renewed. In no single case out of the thirteen has there been a conviction recorded on the licence since the licenses were renewed in 1892, and under these circumstances it was argued by Counsel that to extinguish any one of these licences would amount to an act of confiscation. There can be no pretence for saying, therefore, that the objections raised this year to the renewal of the licences originated in the laches of the tenants themselves. They had their origin with either the Bench as a whole or a section of the Bench, and it was at the instance of the whole body or of a section of the Justices that the chief officer of police was instructed to report upon the question. So far as the ordinary course of police supervision was concerned the houses, with one solitary exception, appeared to have had a clear record, there being no conviction for any infraction of the Licensing Acts. It therefore savoured of persecution to arraign the whole of these thirteen houses and to press against them the argument that they are not required by the population, although last year the Justices, by renewal of the licenses, had decided that they were. Under these circumstances it was rather unfair to throw upon the Superintendent of Police the onerous and invidious duty of making the best case he could in support of the objections. It is only right to say that the fair and straightforward manner in which that officer discharged the duty elicited the commendation of everybody in Court – Bench, advocates, and general audience. Ultimately the Justices renewed all the licenses, with the exception of that of the Tramway Tavern, and on this case their decision will be reviewed by an appellate court. The impression which all these cases have created, and will leave on the public mind, is that the Temperance party have precipitated a raid upon the liquor shops, and that in doing so they have defeated their own object. Persecution and confiscation are words abhorrent to Englishmen. The law fences the publican round with restrictions and penalties in abundance, but in teh present case the houses had not come overtly within the law. To shut up the houses would therefore savour of confiscation, although in strict law the licence is deemed to be terminable from year to year. In the result the victory lies with the trade, and the ill-advised proceedings against a whole batch of houses have created a degree of sympathy for the owners and tenants which was given expression by the suppressed cheers that were heard on Wednesday at the close of the investigations.
 
Licensing

It will be remembered that on the 23rd ult. the Justices adjourned until the 13th inst. the hearing of objections to the renewal of the following licensed houses – Granville, British Colours, Folkestone Cutter, Tramway, Royal George, Oddfellows (Radnor Street), Cinque Ports, Queen`s Head, Wonder, Ship, Harbour, Jubilee, Victoria – thirteen in all. These cases were taken on Wednesday last at the Town Hall, the large room having been transformed for the purpose into a courtroom. The Justices were Messrs. Clarke, Hoad, Pledge, Holden, Fitness, Poole, Herbert, Davy, Pursey, with the Justices` Clerk (Mr. Bradley, solicitor).

Mr. Glyn, and with him Mr. Bodkin, instructed by Messrs. Mowll and Mowll, of Dover, appeared on gehalf of the owners of the property affected; Mr. Minter, solicitor, appeared for the tenants; Mr. Montague Bradley, solicitor, Dover, appeared on behalf of the Folkestone Good Templars, Sons of Temperance, Rechabites, and the St. John`s Branch of the Church Temperance Society. Mr. Superintendent Taylor, Chief Constable of the borough, conducted the case for the police authorities without any legal assistance.

Mr. Glyn, at the outset, said: I appear with my learned friend, Mr. Bodkin, in support of all these licences except in the case of the Royal George, for the owner of which my friend Mr. Minter appears. Before you commence the proceedings I should like you to consider an objection which I have here in writing, and which I do not desire to read. I would ask if you would retire to consider it before proceeding with the business.

Mr. Montague Bradley: I appear on behalf of some Temperance societies in Folkestone.

Mr. Glyn: I submit, sir, that this gentleman has no locus standi.

The Justices now retired to a private room, and after about ten minutes in consultation all the Justices except Mr. Holden returned into Court. It was understood that the objection had reference to the appearance of Mr. Holden as an adjudicating Magistrate, that gentleman being a strong Temperance advocate.

Mr. Glyn then proceeded to say: Now, sir, it might be convenient if you take the Queen`s Head first, and I have formally to apply for the renewal of the licence of the Queen`s Head. That is a house which is well known by everybody, and by all you gentlemen whom I have the honour of addressing, as a most excellent house. The licence has been held for a very considerable number of years, and the present tenant has had it since 1889. It is worth £1,500, and the present tenant paid no less than £305 valuation when he entered that house. I need hardly tell you that the licence was granted a great many years ago by your predecessors and it has been renewed from time to time until now, when the Superintendent of Police has objected on the grounds that the house is not required and that it is kept in a disorderly manner. As to the objection made by the Superintendent, for whom I in common with all others have the highest possible respect, I think he will admit that the objection in not made of his own motion but that it is made in pursuance of instructions received from some members of the Licensing Committee. Of course the point has occurred to my learned friend and myself, and it is a very nice one, whether under those circumstances the requirements of the Section had been complied with, and as to whether, the Superintendent having really been acting as agent  for the Justices, he had any locus standi at all to oppose these licences. I must leave that to your body, guided as you will be by your most able Clerk. He knows the Section better than I do. He knows under what circumstances and objection can be raised, and that it must be done in open Court and not introduced in the way these objections have been raised. These observations apply to the whole of these renewals, and you will find in this case, sir, indeed in all these cases, that the Superintendent of Police in raising these objections has been raising them, as he says in his report, in pursuance of instructions he received from the Magistrates; therefore those gentlemen who formed that body and who give the Superintendent these instructions are really in this position, if I may so put it to them with humility, of people complaining, by having themselves directed an inquiry, upon which inquiry they propose to sit, and, as I understand, to adjudicate. Now, sir, I know from some long occasional experiences of this Bench that there is not a single member of this Bench who desires to adjudicate upon any case which he had prejudged by directing that the case should be brought before him for a particular purpose, and I only draw your attention to these matters because I am perfectly certain that on the grounds I am going to place before you this Bench will not refuse to renew any of these licences. I think it right, after very careful attention, to put those facts before you in order that when you retire you will consider exactly what your position is. There is another thing I ought to say which applies to all these applications. There is not a single person, not a single ratepayer, in all this borough – and I don`t know exactly what the numbers are, but they are very considerable – but there is not a single ratepayer who has been found to object to the renewal of any of these licences. Anyone would have a right to do it if he chose, and I feel certain that the Justices will think that where none of the outside public care to object, this Bench will not deprive the owners and tenants of their property simply because they themselves think that the matter ought to be brought before them, as I understand has happened in this case, for adjudication. Now, let us see the first ground of objection in respect of all these licences. The first ground in respect of each of these licences is that the licence is not needed, and I desire to make a few observations on that. I repeat that no ratepayer can be found here who is prepared to come before the Bench and raise this point. No notice has been given by anybody except by my friend the Superintendent, who has told us in his report that he has been acting upon the instructions of the Bench. But, sir, there is another and very important matter. I understand that in the Watch Committee, which one generally thought would be expected to get the ball rolling, if it is to be rolled at all – if, as my friend suggests, there is any public opinion upon it that these licences are not required – the Watch Committee has actually been approached in this case, that is to say, by some gentlemen connected with the Corporation. I don`t know whether it is any of the gentlemen I have the honour of addressing, but they have declined to have anything to do with it or to sanction any such device for the purpose of depriving my clients of what is undoubtedly their property. Therefore I venture to think, speaking with some little experience, that there never was a case in which licences were taken away simply because some of the learned Magistrates thought that the matter ought to be brought before them, and instructed the Superintendent to do so. Now, sir, I am dealing with the Queen`s Head, but among the licences are some beerhouses that existed before the passing of the Act of 1869, and the owner is therefore entitled to renewal, for although notice of objection has been given on the ground of disorderly conduct there has been a renewal, and that renewal has condoned any misconduct there might have been. Therefore these houses are absolutely entitled to renewal. Now, sir, with regard to these licences that were granted a great many years ago. Of course at that time, when the population of the borough was about half of what it is now, the Magistrates then thought they were required. Those licences have been renewed from time to time by your body, and are you really to say now that although these, or some of these, licences were granted when the number of inhabitants was 12,000, whereas it is now 25,000 – these licences were not required or are not necessary for more than double the original population? I venture to say that such an argument reduces the thing to absurdity. Of course I know, with regard to these houses, that in this case the Magistrates are clothed with authority, if they choose to deprive the owners and tenants of their property, if they think the licences are not required. But you will allow me to point this out to the Bench, that there is not a single Bench in this County – I am glad to be able to say – who yet have deprived an owner or tenant of his property simply because a suggestion has been thrown out. That is at any rate the case as far as Kent is concerned. It was done at one Bench in this County, but when it came on appeal at the Quarter Sessions they upset the decision of the Magistrates who had refused the renewal of the licence on that ground. This is the only instance I know, and I am sure that I am right, where a Bench in this County had been found to deprive an owner of his property which you are asked to do in this way, and a tenant of his livelihood. I venture to express my views, and I am sure that all the Bench will coincide with me, that it would be very unfair in such cases, when owners – whether brewers or private individuals – have paid large sums of money in respect of licensed houses, when those licences have been renewed from year to year, when the tenants have paid large sums in respect of valuation, and some of them have been tenants for many years and have gained a respectable livelihood in this business – it would be very unfair to deprive the owners and tenants of their property without giving them compensation of any kind for being turned adrift. That brings me again to a consideration I must bring before you, that these licences were granted at a time when the population of the borough was about half what it is now; but now you are asked to say that the licences are not required when the population has become twice as much as it was when the licences were originally granted. Perhaps my friend Mr. Minter will coincide with me that if you should consider this point in the first place and form an opinion on it, it would save a great deal of time. It is now a question as to whether you are, under those circumstances, prepared to refuse the renewal of any of these licences, having regard to the fact that there has not been a single conviction since the last renewal. Having regard to the fact that these licences were granted so long ago and have been renewed from time to time, having regard to the fact that there has been no conviction in the case of any one of them during the present year, and that if any offence had been committed prior to the last renewal it was condoned by that renewal – are you going to deprive the owners and tenants of their property? Now, I only desire to say another word. Some of these objections are made on the ground that the licences are not required; others refer to the fact that here have been previous convictions or that the houses have not been kept in an orderly way. Of course we shall hear what the Superintendent says, and we know that he would be perfectly fair to all sides, but I want to make a general observation about it, and it is this; whether or not these houses have been disorderly. As to that I think you would say that inasmuch as in any case where there has been a previous conviction and you had renewed the licence, that renewal condoned any previous offence. It clearly is so, and if there had been any offence committed since the renewal we should have to consider what was the class of offence which had been committed. But that does not apply in this case. In no single instance has there been a conviction in respect to any of the houses which Mr. Minter and myself ask for the renewal of the licence, and I am going to put to you what I understand to be an elementary proposition of law, that you would not deprive an owner of his property because it is suggested that a house has not been properly conducted where that owner has never had an opportunity of appearing before the Bench or instructing some counsel or solicitor to appear before the Bench in answer to any charge under the Act of Parliament which had been brought against his tenant. If there had been any charge in respect of any of these houses since your last renewal, the tenant would have been brought here, he would be entitled to be heard by counsel, and the question would be thrashed out before the Bench. That has not been done in any single case since you last renewed the licences of these houses, and I am perfectly certain that no Bench in this County, and no gentleman in Folkestone, would deprive an owner of his property simply because it has been suggested that since the last renewal a house has not been properly conducted, although no charge has been made against the tenant, so that he might have a right to put the the authorities to the proof of the charge. I am not aware of such a case, and I challenge anybody to show that there has been any single case before any Bench where a licence has been taken away after renewal following a conviction when there has been no criminal charge against that house, but only a general charge after the renewal. I submit that you are not going to deprive the owners of their property when there has been no charge of any kind investigated in this or any other court against the holders of those licences, and if you would retire and consider this point and give an answer upon it, it would save us a deal of time.

Mr. Bodkin followed on the same side dealing with the legal questions involved in the application.

Mr. Minter then addressed the Court as follows: I appear for the tenants of these houses. The learned Counsel have been addressing you on behalf of the owners, and though I cordially agree with everything that has been said by them, it will be necessary for me to make a few observations. Mr. Glyn referred to the population having increased twofold since these licences were granted, but there is another very important consideration, and that is this – that although the population has increased twofold since the whole of these licences were granted, within the last twelve years, I think I am right in saying that no new licence has been granted. Not only were the licences now under consideration granted when the population was half what it is now, but there has been no increase in the number of licences since that period I have named. The second point is with respect to the hardship which would fall upon owners if a licence were refused on the ground of convictions against the tenant. The learned Counsel has urged that it would be unjust to take into consideration a conviction that took place prior to the last annual licensing meeting, and you will feel the force of that argument. What is the intention of the Legislature? The Legislature has provided that in all cases where the tenants of licensed houses are convicted of a breach of the Licensing Laws the Magistrates have power to record that conviction on the licence, and on a third such conviction the Legislature says that the licence shall be forfeited altogether. Appearing on behalf of the tenants, I am happy to say that there is no such record on the licence of any one of the applicants, and notwithstanding that a conviction may have taken place prior to the last annual licensing meeting, the conviction was of such a trivial character that the Magistrates did not consider it necessary to record it on the licence. Is there any argument to be used that is stronger than that observation? You yourselves have decided that although you were bound to convict in a certain case, it was not of a character that required the endorsement of the licence, and after that conviction you renewed the licence, and again on a subsequent occasion. One other observation occurs to me, with regard to suggestions that have been put before you by Mr. Glyn and Mr. Bodkin, and I entirely concur in what has been said upon it. It is very pleasing to be before you, but I think it will be pleasing to us and you will be as pleased yourselves if time can be saved, and if you will only retire and take into consideration the points which Mr. Glyn has suggested to you, I think you will come to the conclusion that the applications should be granted, but I am excepting the one or two cases in which I appear and in which I can claim as a right to have the licence renewed as they existed before 1869, and therefore these special cases do not arise on the notice served upon my clients. I am sure you will not take offence if I put it in that way, but if we have to go through each one of these cases, and I appear for nine or ten, the tenants are all here and will have to go into the box and be examined, and their evidence will have to be considered in support of the application I have to make. Now let me call attention for a moment to the notice of objection. You may dismiss from your mind the previous conviction; the suggestion is that the houses are not required for public accommodation. I am prepared in each case with evidence to show that the public accommodation does require it, and the test is the business that a house does. I am prepared to show by indisputable evidence that the tenants has been doing a thriving business for the last four or five years, that it has not decreased, and how is it possible with that evidence before you to say that the licence is not wanted? You may regret, possibly, that the number of houses is larger than you like to see, but you would not refuse to entertain the application made today unless you were satisfied that the houses were not wanted for the public accommodation. I hope you will take the suggestion of Mr. Glyn and that you will renew all the licences that are applied for, particularly as there is not a single complaint against them.

Mr. Montague Bradley: I claim the right to address the Bench.

Mr. Minter: I object.

Mr. Bodkin: My friend must prove his notice of objection.

Mr. M. Bradley: I should like Mr. Glyn to state the Section under which he objects to my locus standi.

Mr. Glyn: I should like to know for whom my friend appears – by whom he is instructed.

Mr. M. Bradley: I appear on behalf of Temperance Societies of Folkestone – Good Templars and others.

Mr. Glyn: Now, sir, I submit beyond all doubt that the practice is clear.

Mr. M. Bradley: I think, sir, that the question ought to be argued. I should like to hear Mr. Glyn state his objection.

Mr. Minter: We have objected on the ground that you have not given notice of objection.

Mr. Glyn: My friend should show his right – how he proposes to establish his right.

Mr. M. Bradley referred to Section 42, subsection 2.

Eventually the Chairman said: Mr. Montague Bradley, the Bench are of opinion that you have no locus standi.

Mr. M. Bradley: Very well, sir.

The Justices now retired to their room.

The Chairman on their return said: The Magistrates have decided that where there is a case of disorderly conduct it is to be limited to within the year, and that the Superintendent is not to go into any case previous to the annual licensing day of last year. We think it right that Superintendent should state these cases and that they should be gone into in order that we may know what these objections are.

The cases not eliminated by this decision were then proceeded with, seriatim, and are noticed below in the order in which they were called.

The British Colours, Cinque Ports and Wonder

Mr. Glyn said this was a beerhouse which existed before 1869, and therefore no objection could be taken to it, unless the Superintendent suggested that there had been any impropriety in the house.

Mr. Francis Knops, Superintendent of Inland Revenue proved that the licences of the British Colours, Cinque Ports, and Wonder existed before 1869.

On the conclusion of the cases Mr. Glyn rose and said: The result of these inquiries is, sir, that in respect to all the houses except the Tramway Tavern there is no serious charge of any misconduct of any kind. It is only in the case of the Tramway Tavern that a serious attack has been made, and I have already addressed you as to the Tramway Tavern. If the brewers had notice they might have had an opportunity of testing the case, whether the house has been properly conducted or not, and I challenge anybody to allege that any Bench of Justices in this County other than the Bench I have alluded to have ever refused to grant the renewal of a licence unless the landlord had had notice, or unless there has been a summons or conviction against the tenant. I take that point, sir. It is a technical point, but I have not the slightest doubt that it is conclusive against the points raised. Now, with regard to the other houses, except the beerhouses which have a positive right of renewal. The only other question is whether the remaining houses are wanted or not. The Superintendent of Police has conducted his case most fairly and most ably indeed, and he picks out certain houses and asks the Magistrates to deprive the owners of their property and the tenants of their livelihood, and he asks that other houses may remain. How on earth are you to draw the line?  There are seven houses in one street, and how can you deprive four of them of their licence, and grant the renewal of licence to the other three?  I must again put before you that no Bench of Magistrates in this County have refused to renew a licence – with the exception of the case which I put before you, and in that case they were overruled – to any old licensed house on the ground on which you are asked to refuse, viz., because it is suggested that the house is not wanted. The County Magistrates, as well as the Magistrates in Boroughs, have felt this, inasmuch as their predecessors in office have granted licences upon the faith of which repairs have been done and expenditure has been incurred, it would be unfair to take that property away unless – as the late Lord Chancellor pointed out – something fresh had happened to alter the neighbourhood since the time of the last renewal. It is not suggested here that anything has occurred with respect to any one of these houses in order to satisfy you that they should be taken away as not being required, and I venture to submit that this Bench at any rate would not adopt a policy of confiscation, for I cannot call it anything else, and, as it were, set an example to other Benches in the County by confiscating my clients` property in any of these cases, having regard to the fact that they are old licences, having regard to the fact that the population has increased twofold, and having regard to the fact that nothing fresh, in the words of the Lord Chancellor, has arisen to induce you to deprive the owners of the licences that were renewed last year. I submit that you, gentlemen, will not be a party to the confiscation of property. It is no small matter that you have to consider. It is not a question of £10 or £15, for the lowest in value of the houses before you today is £800, and the licences have been granted by your predecessors and renewed by you. Your population has largely increased since those licences were granted, and as my friend (Mr. Minter) has pointed out, you have refused to grant any new licences, and under these circumstances I venture to submit that you will not deprive my clients of their property. My clients look to you to protect their property; they have no other tribunal. If there had been any strong view in the Borough against these licences the public would have expressed their views by giving notice of opposition, but they have not done it, whereas the Watch Committee, the proper body to raise these objections, have declined to touch it. Where does the objection come from? It comes from a member of your body, who has not taken part in these proceedings, but who has suggested that the Superintendent of Police should give notice in respect of these houses and have these cases brought before you. I thank you very much for the kind way in which you have listened to my observations and those of my friends, and without fear of the result I am confident that you are not going to deprive my clients of their licences, to which, I submit, the law entitles them. (Suppressed applause in the body of the court)

It being now 2.50, the Justices adjourned for an hour, returning into court just before 4 o`clock.

The Chairman then said: The Magistrates have had this question under consideration, and they have come to the decision that all the licences be granted, with the exception of the Tramway Tavern. (Suppressed applause)

Mr. Glyn now applied that, in the event of an appeal, notice of appeal served on the Justices` Clerk should be accepted by the Justices.

This was at once acceded to.

Mr. Glyn: My clients all feel, sir, what the professional men around the table knew before, the fair way in which Mr. Superintendent Taylor has conducted these proceedings.

Folkestone Visitors` List 24-1-1894

Police Court Notes

Mr. G.W. Prior has obtained temporary authority to draw at the Wonder Tavern in Beach Street, the licence of which has been held by Jane Laslett.

Folkestone Chronicle 31-7-1897

Local News

At the Folkestone Police Court on Saturday, before The Mayor and Messrs. Salter, Pledge, and Wightwick, Henry Ratcliffe was charged on remand with having assaulted his wife, Jane Ratcliffe, on Tuesday, the 20th inst. At the previous Court, prisoner had pleaded Guilty.

Jane Ratcliffe, the prosecutrix, who had been too ill as the result of the ill-treatment she had received to attend at the previous hearing, now gave her evidence. The prisoner, she said, was her husband, and she was in his company near the Wonder Tavern about five o`clock on the afternoon of July 20th. She could not remember anything beyond that prisoner ran up behind her and kicked her with a pair of heavy hob-nailed boots that he was wearing. He gave her one hard blow and she fell. She did not know what he did it for, as she had had no quarrel with him. He had had some drink. He had often kicked her before, and she had several other bruises on her body. The next thing she recollected was that two women assisted her into a cab and went with her to the hospital, and that the Relieving Officer afterwards accompanied her to the Union, in the infirmary of which she had been until that day, under the care of Dr. Fisher. She still felt the effects of the blow in her back and head. She had been married to prisoner about nine years, and had four children. They were in the habit of travelling about from town to town in Kent selling watercresses. Mrs. Brough, present in Court, was one of the persons who helped her into the cab.

In reply to prisoner, complainant said he had not seen her go into the Wonder Tavern just before the occurrence, nor did anybody give her “a pint” just as she was leaving, with the remark “Here`s a pint for you, and I`ll see you after the old man`s gone”. Her husband never said to her “You ought to have asked that man what he meant by saying that to you”.

Dr. Percy Wheeler Kemp, house surgeon at the Victoria Hospital, spoke to complainant having been admitted to the Institution on the evening of the 20th inst., between half past four and five o`clock. She had lost a fair amount of blood. Her underclothes had bloodstains upon them and she had others upon her body. In her condition it would be necessary for either a blow or fall to produce the blood. It would not necessarily take a heavy blow, as she was enceinte. She appeared to be in pain, and was suffering from slight shock to the system. In answer to the prisoner, the witness said the injury might have been produced by a blow from a basket.

In defence, prisoner said he had been driven out of their good home by his wife`s bad conduct. He was proceeding to make some irrelevant remarks respecting her conduct at Ramsgate, when the Clerk interrupted him and told him to confine himself to the present case, one of aggravated assault. The prisoner went on to say that he did not kick his wife, but swung round the basket of cresses which he was carrying and struck her with that. She had provoked him by her taunts. He alleged that she had deserted her children, and said it took him all his time running after her from town to town with them. He had previously been on a good farm, but her bad conduct had got him sent away.

In sentencing prisoner to four calendar months` hard labour, the Chairman said the Bench were satisfied, on Mrs. Brough`s evidence, that he did brutally kick his wife, and if she had died, he might have been tried for murder. Instead of protecting his wife, he appeared to have systematically ill-treated her.

On hearing his sentence, the prisoner merely observed “Thank you, sir”, and was removed to the cells.

Folkestone Express 20-11-1897

Friday, November 12th: Before The Mayor, Alderman Banks, W. Wightwick, and W.G. Herbert Esqs.

Thomas Reilly was charged with stealing from a hut on the 8th November a live tame rabbit, value 4s., the property of William Stone, of 21, Mill Bay.

Prosecutor, a labourer, said the rabbit produced was his, and it was kept at the back of his house in a hutch in Mill Bay in the yard. He saw it on Monday evening at seven o`clock. At nine o`clock he saw the door of the hutch was open, and on going to look for the rabbit found it was gone. He saw it again on Thursday in the possession of a man named Bell, at 38, Bradstone Road. Its value was 4s. The yard was open to several houses, and prisoner had been there several times.

William John Bell, of 38, Bradstone Road, a mariner, said he bought the rabbit of prisoner at the Blue Anchor about a quarter to nine on Monday night. Prisoner asked half a crown for it, and witness bought it for 2s. and a pint of beer. Prisoner said it was his rabbit, but he had no convenience for keeping it.

Sergeant Dunster apprehended the prisoner and charged him with the theft. He said “Yes. I bought the rabbit from a man they call “Chalky Harry””. Afterwards he said he bought it from a man called “Bricky Tom”. At the police station, when charged, he said he did not steal the rabbit – ho bought it from another man and gave 1s. for it.

Prisoner persisted that he bought it, but did not know whether he could find the man from whom he bought it. He was remanded tillMonday.

Monday, November 15th: Before W. Wightwick and W.G. Herbert Esqs.

Thomas Reilly, who had been remanded on Friday, was charged with stealing a rabbit.

Joseph Compron, of 14, Radnor Street, said he was in the bar of the Wonder Tavern on Monday evening, when he saw “Navvy Tom” speaking to prisoner. Afterwards they went out, and when they came in prisoner was carrying a parcel. Prisoner gave Tom a shilling and called for a quart of beer.

Adelaide Warman, of the Providence Inn, said that “Navvy Tom” came into the bar one night, and asked her if she wanted to buy a tame rabbit. She said “No”.

The Chairman: Well, prisoner, although you have called these witnesses, there seems no doubt that you stole the rabbit. We might send you to prison, but we think a fine will answer the purpose. We shall fine you £1, and in default you will have to go to prison for 14 days.

Folkestone Herald 20-11-1897

Police Court Record

Thomas Riley was charged on remand with stealing a live, tame rabbit.

In addition to the evidence previously taken as to the rabbit being missed from a hutch in the back yard of William stone, 21, Mill Bay, labourer, Joseph Compton, a labourer, 14, Radnor Street, deposed that on the night of the 8th inst. he saw a man known as “Navvy Tom” speak to defendant in the Wonder Tavern and hand him a parcel. The defendant returned later and gave “Navvy Tom” a shilling, which “Tom” handed to another man, and called for a quart of beer.

The daughter of the landlady of the Providence deposed that one night a watercress seller (known as “Navvy Tom”) asked her if she wanted a tame rabbit, and she replied in the negative.

The defendant`s defence at the first hearing of the case was that he got the rabbit from another man.

The Bench fined defendant £1, or 14 days` hard labour.

The man called “Navvy Tom” was then charged with stealing the rabbit from a hutch.

In view of the Bench`s decision in the previous case, Superintendent Taylor asked that the charge might be withdrawn.

This was agreed to by the Bench.

Folkestone Chronicle 11-3-1899

Local News

Yesterday (Friday) at the Folkestone Borough Police Court, Messrs. Fitness, Pursey, Wightwick, and Herbert had before them two cases, which brought to the Court a large number of the public.

The first was a charge of stealing an overcoat from the Wonder Hotel, the property of Mr. George Prior. The accused was a man named Edward Benjamin Weston, who was one of the crew of the Brocklesby, and made himself conspicuous as an avowed American citizen.

George Prior, landlord of the Wonder, Beach Street, said he recognised the prisoner as a customer at his house for the last few days. On Thursday night he missed an overcoat from a row of pegs in the bar passage. He hung the coat up at nine o`clock, and at ten it was missing. He next saw the coat in the possession of Police Inspector Lilley.

Inspector Lilley said about half past ten on Thursday night, in company with P.C. Lyons, he went on board the ship Brocklesby in the outer harbour, and in the seamen`s quarters were several men, among them the prisoner, who was sitting on the bench under his hammock. Folded up in the hammock was the coat produced. Weston said “I took it for a joke”. Lilley asked “Took what?” He replied “His coat. I only did it for a joke”. Lilley took Weston into the town and met Mr. Prior, who identified the coat. Prisoner asked Mr. Prior “Didn`t I take it as a joke?” Mr. Prior replied “No, you had no right to joke with me. I know nothing of you”. So Lilley took Weston to the lock-up. There prisoner said “Oh well! I suppose I must put up with it for the time being”.

The prisoner pleaded Guilty, but said he was intoxicated and didn`t intend to steal the coat. He meant to take it back.

He was sentenced to twenty one days` hard labour.

Folkestone Herald 11-3-1899

Folkestone Police Court

Yesterday (Friday) Edward Benjamin Weston was charged with stealing a coat, value £3 10s., on the 9th March, the property of George William Prior.

The landlord of the Wonder Tavern, Beach Street, deposed that he recognised the defendant, who had been a customer for a few days. He hung the overcoat on a peg in the bar, and he missed it the previous evening. He identified the coat. The value was £3 10s.

P.S. Lilley deposed that as a result of inquiries made, about half past ten, accompanied by P.C. Lawrence, he went on board the ship Brocklesby, which was to proceed to sea at six o`clock that morning. He went to the seamen`s quarters, where there were several men, amongst them the defendant. He was sitting on a bench under his hammock, and folded up in the hammock witness saw a coat, which he produced. The following dialogue ensued: Witness; “Which is Weston?” Defendant; “I took it as a joke” Witness; “Took what?” Defendant; “His coat. I only took it for a joke” Witness: “You will have to see him with me about it”. Witness took him into Beach Street. The prosecutor identified the coat. Witness to defendant; “I shall charge you with stealing this coat from the inside of the Wonder Tavern”. He turned to the prosecutor and said “Didn`t I take it as a joke?” Prosecutor said “No, you have no right to joke with me, I know nothing of you”. Witness brought him to the police station, where he was charged. In reply he said “I suppose I will have to put up with it for the time being”.

Defendant said he was guilty of taking it; he did not mean in any shape or form to steal and not return it; he had said “Well, I ill take it down for a skylark”.

A Magistrate: I think I should have taken it to the passage where it was found instead of taking it on the vessel.

Defendant said he knew he was a little intoxicated.

The Bench sentenced him to 21 days` hard labour. The Chairman said he thought they had come to a very lenient decision.

Folkestone Up To Date 11-3-1899

Friday, March 10th: Before J. Fitness Esq., Col. Hamilton, and W.G. Herbert, W. Wightwick, and C.J. Pursey Esqs.

Henry Benjamin Watson, a seaman, was charged with stealing an overcoat, valued £3 10s., the property of George William Prior, the landlord of the Wonder Tavern, in Beach Street.

George William Prior, the first witness, said: I recognise the prisoner, who has been a customer at my house during the last three or four days. I missed an overcoat from my house at 8 - 10 last night. The coat hung on a peg by the bar, and I went for it at 9 p.m., when I missed it.

Police Sergeant Lilley deposed: About 10.30 last night, in company with Police Constable Lawrence, I went on board the vessel Brocklesby, lying at the outer harbour, which was to proceed to sea at six o`clock this morning. I found the prisoner in the seamen`s quarters, and the coat was wrapped up in his hammock. The prisoner said “I only took his coat as a joke”. I replied “You will have to come with me to see him about it”. I took him into Beach Street, and told him I should charge him with stealing the coat. In reply, he said “I suppose I shall have to put up with it for the time being”.

The prisoner said he only took the coat as a “skylark”, while he was under the influence of drink. He took the coat too openly to intend to steal it.

He was sent to prison for 21 days.
 

 
 
 


 
 

 

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